The idea of automatic warps for AFK players is so ripe for abuse I can’t even articulate it all. Here is just the bare basics of why this idea cannot be functionally implemented without causing more problems than you would ever conceivably solve, assuming cloaked players who are AFK are even a problem to begin with:
As you acknowledged, players may not have docking rights, or there may be no stations (especially in wormholes) - how is that handled?
If the fallback is to send them to another system:
A) How is the system picked?
B) What happens if the gates are camped?
C) What about bubbles?
D) What if they don’t have gate access rights (like in Pochven)?
– Does the player get insta-teleported to the destination station (so all someone has to do to escape gate camps is cloak and AFK for 10 minutes to freely skip the camp?) Does the ship warp normally, and now players who stepped AFK expecting to be gone for 2 minutes but something happened (life is like that) and they were gone for 12 minutes are just screwed because their ship auto-warped to a camped gate and they got blapped?
Hmmm. I think maybe we should take a step back and check your premises there Ridley.
Do you think it is fair and balanced that a social chat tool gives you 100% free, instant and perfect intelligence on any threats to you in nullsec? Such a proximity detector seems awfully powerful and potentially unbalanced to me.
So the problem I have, is that there is zero counter to that proximity detector in the game. No module, ship or strategy can keep your name out of local. The only possible strategy I can come up with is to confuse that proximity detector with false signals, say by keeping a cloaked alt logged in for many hours, if I want to engage in information warfare with an opponent.
With that in mind, do you think we really need to nerf/remove the only counter to local chat intel without making some additional changes to the game and how local works?
Oh, yeah. Good points. I have misgivings about it for all you said. On the one hand it does seem awful improbable and contrived, particularly in nullsec. On the other hand I can imagine EVE backstory that helps it make sense. That makes me ambivalent to the whole thing. And I have imagined skills and/or mods that help one get out of local chat or change their name and information at least temporarily. And I am not even necessarily against the idea of doing away with local chat in null sec except to say that as it stands, I think its central to how game play operates and removing it will need a boatload of changes and/or new options, like adding info to dscan and/or increasing its range/ functionality. Seems a huge task to work all that out.
It seems like you think that I think the changes or improvements should end with my ideas in my first post here, but I SOOO do not. I am open to ideas. Why not? Some may think I am not for not understanding my open aggression toward those who openly aggressed me here. But I am. All anyone needs to do talk to me is not take verbal swings at me. Some people cannot do that as we have seen though.
I already covered all that. Their ship could keep jumping in search of a friendly station, or warp to the best planet or moon that supports life.
If they get blown up in the process I don’t see the problem. I am surprised because I thought the anti-AFK lobby would be STRONGLY supporting anything that goes against AFK folks, but I don’t see much talk about that aspect. Plus, I have it on good authority that exploding spaceships is good for EVE. Maybe that only counts when its someone else’s ship or their throwaway catalyst? Yeah. Figures.
But I do find it surprising that anyone could really be so hostile (not you but others) to getting rid of AFK (non) play. It may require additional changes, but who the hell even thinks being AFK for anything but being docked should be risk free?
Good question. I earlier suggested the nearest dockable station. But someone with more information may be able to come up with a better way.
NOw I see your point about exploitation, such as an invulnerable ship getting past a gate camp. So how about “BOOM” is what happens? I got no problem with that. I am here to discuss not force a preformed idea down throats. “BOOM” sounds nice.
“Boom”! Aura does not have a reputation for great piloting.
I like it! Its not like the consequences were meant to be a mystery. Of course you would know the risk as soon as you left your keyboard. I would even provide a loud countdown warning just as I said. And also it could be 20 minutes or 30. I don’t care.
Moral of the story is though DON`T go AFK undocked. Dock up or log out.
Hell, in my early days as an alpha, I sent an alt in to bother a null sec corp. Never had even been in null sec. I got there without dying even once. I buzzed around their system in a ship so weak and poorly fit I could only have hurt a fly if it was AFK. I had no idea what I was doing but nobody knew that for sure. For like two weeks I annoyed them zipping around and logging before they could scan me down, combat probes all over. Anybody can do that but they can’t do it AFK without a damn bot.
Ok you may be correct this time as I’m not sure anyone has come up with this exact idea. I’ll give you that. However your idea is bad and you should feel bad.
It is a very bad precedent that CCP would ever take over a players ship. Having CCP take over your ship as you suggest and then it gets blown up? And say that’s a ship a player bought plex to fund? Yea I’d bet CCP’s lawyers would stop that kind of idea before it got off the table.
And here is a great example. This has been addressed, many times. I have on numerous occasions had to effectively go AFK cloaky for extended periods of time while being actively hunted. This included active combat probes out. Attempts at even a safe logoff just ended up with me losing a safespot as the probed me quickly.
This is compounded when I would have been flying in say my exploration Ishtar which isn’t covert. Since I couldn’t warp cloaked those same combat probes could catch me landing at a safe spot before I could cloak back up. So the only safe option was to sit still cloaked until they gave up.
Was I AFK the whole time? No. But if im waiting hours (yes I’ve had them be very persistent) I should be able to step away, stretch my legs, deal with my kids needs and so forth when docking or safe logging aren’t feasible options.
There is no “anti-AFK lobby”. There is an “anti passive wealth generation lobby”, and we have no issue with sitting idle in space while AFK because you aren’t generating ISK or assets in any way while doing so.
Plus, I have it on good authority that exploding spaceships is good for EVE.
Then why do you advocate a change that will greatly reduce the amount of destruction in EVE?
Again you are greatly confused about the fact I have no horse in this race. I am not advocating a god damned thing here. Try and remember that. Its just a discussion of ideas. That’s it. Said it before.
Then you are dishonest and discussing your ideas in bad faith. If you don’t believe that your ideas have enough merit to advocate them then you shouldn’t be posting them.
(Of course we all know what the reality is: you do think they’re good enough to be worth posting, you’re just trying to back away from them because of how strong the reaction against them was.)
@Ridley_Rohan I would like to ask have you thought about what would happen to everyone else’s play style who does not afk cloak? For the very small amount of players who afk cloak, you want to screw over the rest of us?
Once again I don’t have a horse in this race. There is precious little I “want” related to this. I certainly don’t want to screw anyone over (save botters) but I do want things to be consistent and not contrived in a way that gives RL and in game advantage. My idea would affect me though, as I sometimes go cloaked AFK too. I would have to change. Oh well. Such is EVE.
I guess I haven’t, unless you are talking about botters of all kinds and the dreaded ISK farmer. I can see how they would love my idea and I can also see that a method of thrwarting them would be gone. But guess what? Surely a new and more effective way of combating them could replace this. But that won’t happen without ideas being proposed. And one idea often tends to dovetail into another.
Would like to see more effective ways of combating botters? Well for the sake of balance CCP may insist a poor method be removed before a great method is implemented.
The only time you were honest was when you admitted your participation here was just to abuse others. And obviously that’s still the only thing you are here to do cause I explained why your accusations are false so clearly even your dog understands.
Its been brought up and discussed. In fact, has it not already been tried? I don’t know much about it actually, but if its been tried and abandoned how likely is CCP to bring it back?
Well, CCP is not likely to do anything we discuss. This is all talk and we may as well explore other ideas as well.
I really don’t get it. How much time do you need to stretch your legs and be able to come back? How far from your keyboard do you need to be for this?
As far as combat probes out and being actively hunted, I have been there as an alpha with no cloak at all. I made bookmarks between bookmarks and used all the warpable objects in the system to start the process. Maybe I did not have the best opposition in the world but I find it hard to believe anyone is going to be able to scan you down from a fresh and decent safe spot before you can safe log. My real problem was just getting in system alive. Once that was done I was sure the only way they could catch me was if I got lazy or did something stupid. I simply cannot believe someone could have gotten me through skill alone, so I really don’t understand your issue.
But if need to go afk all of the sudden and have no idea when you will be back, I question your choice of playstyle seriously. You might even want to just pick a different game to play. There is about a hundred ways it seems real life is going to get you killed in EVE anyway.
You reused the same safe spot? You sat in a safe spot long enough to be probed down? For two weeks when I was in that situation I would have killed for a Tech I cloak with the option of cloaking AFK for just 5 minutes! Instead I made a totally new bookmark during long warps, warped random places away from there, then went there and safe logged.
The precedent is already set. That’s exactly what happens when you safe log or get disconnected; the program takes over your ship and it warps. Then it warps back there on log in.
Anyway, your particular issue is very easy to solve even without changing your playstyle or hiring a nanny. Just let people log off cloaked and stop warping them from that spot and back (which you would not be able to do cloaked without a covert cloak).
