Main AFK cloaky thread

Oh I just randomly type in null and W just to make them scatter and whine.

I am not dissrupting them, they’re doing it themeslves.

I pay my dues, I can play where I want and I can play HOW I want.

Fun to pop into a WH and scan and see Orca’s then say “hai!” then jump out again.

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In a general thread about general campers, I am not especially interested in the oddball shenanigans YOU get up to. Seriously.

I take a space picnic with my cloaky roamer

I am “mostly harmless”

I can sit and log in and outski for long periods of time on a random null / W roam

I am also the kind of person that waits until people get comfortable on a train and maybe dozing and yell “Tickets please” as I pass the door

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Its about the lamest of threats since experience has shown it usually accomplishes nothing. But if you continue to troll this thread I will report you. Stay on topic. Post relevant information.

Oh yes, I know my own squabbles have not been on topic, but now that we got back on topic, partially thanks to your meme I suppose, I would appreciate if you would stop ruining it so soon.

I do want to stay on topic. I just don’t want to be visciously attacked for stating my opinion.

I think we can all agree this should be moved to the “Main AFK Docking” thread. Let’s keep this thread on topic please.

I see this argument appearing quite often in this thread.

But people never talk about the other side of it. The HotDropper is willing to have ‘Fleet Backup’ waiting for the right moment, when they are around and playing at the computer… so why shouldn’t you have a defense force ready to protect the people in “your system” while you are mining or ratting or whatever.

The whole point of claiming nul space is that you protect it to make it yours.

Please Note: I don’t think AFK Cloaking is a good mechanic (nor do I support AFK Cloaking), but I also don’t think the solution is a blanket nerf to cloaks. The problem is ‘Local’.
It all needs to be addressed together.

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Delay local everywhere

Local is NOT Mr.Radar

Details please. And then, obvious questions aside:

Any special reason to post this when and where you did? In response to the post above or what? Separate?

Why does that belong in the AFK cloaky thread exactly?

Well, people get upset when they see a name in local but cannot see the ship so remove the name in local until they speak, voala.

Works well in W space

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I don’t want nerfs for cloaks either, I think cloaks are fine as they are and enjoy many playstyles of cloaking myself and wish to experience more of them one day (still never lived in WHs).

I do think that it is disproportionate to demand the defenders to have a defence fleet ready to fight hotdroppers 23/7, while the attackers only need to have afk cloaks 23/7 and can hotdrop the entire fleet any time of the day for 15 minutes.

15 minutes vs 23 hours of effort is not really balanced, and all of this is possible because AFK cloaked characters can become active at any time and cyno in any number of allies.

If AFK cloaked characters were unable to use a cyno (for example because cloaks leak cyno fuel over time), then I would not have any issue with AFK cloaks. I would actually enjoy trying to bait AFK cloaked bombers or bigger. The issue is that most of the time baiting is useless because of the AFK nature of afk cloaking, combined with the entire fleet that comes through the AFK cloaked ship when they take the bait.

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Too may here have proven they do not understand the concept of time and it seems attempts to educate are useless.

If I had said nothing, I am sure someone would have repeated the broken record claim that AFK folks cannot hurt you, as if AFK people are eternally AFK. Time. They don’t get it. But eventually time will get them.

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But is it too much to ask to have a defense fleet available when you are actually ratting/mining in system? I’m assuming you aren’t doing that 23/7, so no need to have a defense fleet ready 23/7. Just as the cloaky doesn’t have a hotdrop fleet ready 23/7.

Then it comes down to not knowing. Not knowing if a fleet is going to drop on you or not. But isn’t that part of claiming ownership of null space? You need to be able to defend it or it is taken away from you.

There is no need for a 23/7 defense fleet. It only needs to be around when you need it.

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You don’t even need a def fleet.

A cloaked ship has to decloak to deploy a cyno.

So either:

  1. He is visible on the overview and you warp out
  2. He is off grid and local fills with players, again you warp out

I think a lot of people think a Covert ship can pop a “Covert” cyno while cloaked. No.

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23 hours of farming profit vs. 23 hours of sitting idle in space isn’t balanced either. If you want effort balance then you don’t get PvE income.

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I know. I know.

The whole “there’s no counter to cloaks” mantra drives me crazy. There is. It’s called strength in numbers or being a vigilant pilot as you point out.

The counter to the AFK cloaky is being able to make you system/region unattractive to the cloaky camper.

Unless you’re willing to put in the effort to protect the income source

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As someone else said, you only need to protect your miners/ratters when you are actually mining/ratting. So not 23/7 at all… unless you and your corp/alliance can field people 23/7, and if that is the case I am sure you should have no problem fielding a defense force.

The real issue here is the use of local as a defense force. People claim a nul system, then as soon as local blinks, run to the station till its empty again. That is not defending a system.

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Option 1.
Make a probe that can be launched at the sun.
Generate tons of EM activity in the system for an hour.
No more AFK cloaky.

Option 2.
Corps can build a building that does the same thing, but takes fuel.

And what problem are you trying to solve with your changes?

Prevents gray hair for OCD corps not knowing who is in their system:)
I do it all the time, but other people don’t want AFK cloaks here are some solutions.
To piggyback to previous suggestions of those options.
Haver radius around building for decloaking effect or cone from the sun only.
All development costs money, so throwing ideas out.

lol, prevents gray hair?

I’m not sure anyone has likened “Pixel Terrified to Undock” to gray hair, you have added something new to the thread :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

In any case wanting someone to go away is not a problem.

Was there a real problem? In 7685 posts no one has ever come up with a real problem. That is why there is no solution, there is no problem.

And no, being afraid to undock unless you are alone in a system, in an MMO, is not a real problem.

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