Your analogy falls apart the moment you realize that crocodiles are, in fact, never afk. Theyâre vigilantly waiting.
That and the crocodile hunters are heavily armed and have a nice safe spot they can hide in should the crocodile move.
Unless the crocodile hunters are the equivalent of nullsec pve bears that cry about afk cloakers. In that case theyâll lose a hand, if not more.
He just likes making irrelevant memes. Itâs funny or something I guess.
Yeah, heâs like the meme version of Mike, Dracvlad or Naye.
That last one doesnât even make any sense anymore in the context itâs used.
I know, it just makes me frustrated that people are so⌠I donât know⌠pathetic I guess. I canât help but rant a bit. Rant was not directed at you.
So, some problems with your crocodile analogy:
- The croc isnât cloaked. Itâs âwaiting at the gateâ. So if you have a problem with gatecamps, this is the wrong thread for that. If it were cloaked, it would be potentially jumping out of the tree just out of picture. You clearly know exactly where it is waiting for you.
- People catch crocs all the time. In fact, some people are gainfully employed doing that exact thing. Hire mercs if the cloaky equivalent bothers you enough. âSit here in space with me while I rat, fight the dude(s) that drop on meâ.
- Said croc is presently not hurting anything. Wants to eat you though, so maybe you should be prepared.
Yes, well that crocodile is not really AFK though, is he. He is totally ATK.
Very true. 3-4 people who know what theyâre doing would have no problem at all taking a single crocodile down. Actually, one person who knows what theyâre doing wouldnât have a problem.
This is a great analogy for why AFK cloaking is a non-issue.
I think AFK cloaking is a problem. Not because i cant mine or rat, but because its something that cant be dealt with once the cloaker is in the system. There need to be some countermeasure imo. and i have an idea⌠It might have been suggested before, but iâll try my luck anyway. I dont want the meassure to be unfair. that would be stupid, and i dont think we need to change the cloaking mechanic either. ok here goes:
What if CCP introduced a core scanner and probes that had the sole purpose of scanning cloaked ships? With their own skills to train if needed. The point here is to make the camper be at risk. as it is atm, there is no risk for the camper, but alot of risk for the people in the system. if the cloaker wants to stay cloaked, he has to be at the keyboard, and actually playing the game to stay cloaked, while the residents of the system have a countermeasure to employ. That way, you wont have to change the cloaking mechanic, but the campers would have to change their strategy.
I dont hate cloaking or campers, but shutting down a whole system, a pocket even, with a single ship (as is the case now) which on top of that, doesnt need to be at his computer, is unfair. no matter how you look at it. Yes i know EvE is unfair, but look at it this way. now people log off instead of going out in their expensive ships, which means that there is less content for you gankers.
i cant find any good counter to my idea, but then again, i am not a cloaky camper. please tell me what is wrong with it, so it can improve =)
Never read that beforeâŚ
Like⌠Baiting him?
Exactly because of that heâs a problem to you. You want to opt out of any risk of pvp in a pvp zone.
- That âideaâ isnât new. It gets proposed about every single time someone new shows up with âwaaah the bad afk cloaker is imposing psychological warfare on me by his mere presence in localâ.
Yes you do. Thatâs why you posted your post.
Well, if youâre incapable of defending yourself against the inevitable hotdrop or take countermeasures against it, then you donât deserve the space youâre in.
Heâs only capable of shutting the system down if you guys are completely incompetent and want to avoid any and all pvp and in that case you have no business being in nullsec in the first place.
Thereâs actually more content because the bears will inevitably go out and rat when they need their next plex to sub their account with.
When the cloaker isnât already in the system and thus local chat intel is turned against them, the bears run to safety the moment a hostile is 5 jumps out from their ratting system.
So a cloaky camper actually has a chance to get them. Bonus points for getting angry insults in local while theyâre cowering in their station.
Thank you for knowing what i think and what kind of person i am. is it cool to be a mindreader?
If you think i am looking for safety in nullsec, you are wrong. there is a good reason (besides the isk =P) i moved to nullsec. there is more action there. and i am not new. iâve been playing since 2009.
a quick tip for you if you acctually want to discuss this, instead of trolling: drop the condecending attitude. you dont know me or what i think.
you see, i welcome fleets to come tackle miningships. this game wouldnt be what it is, if that wasnt the risk miners/ratters took. But keeping them from playing the game and do what they like to do in it, is a problem, because they cant do anything about it. in almost every other aspect of this game you have a countermessaure, but not for cloaky afk campers.
if you are a camper, you should welcome a change to it, to give you more of a challenge.
Now, this is a risk vs reward game right? what is the risk for the camper? as of now, there is little to none. he needs to risk it to get in to a system, but thats it.
I ask again: what is wrong with the idea? you see, instead of answering that, you came with alot of projections and opinions on what you think i think. Besides, there hasnt been a shortage of Rorqkills lately. (which is fine) but many many of those are because people are either lazy about intel or couldnt get out of core mode fast enough. so your argument does not hold water
There hasnt been a shortage of Rorqkills lately. (which is fine) but many many of those are because people are either lazy about intel or couldnt get out of core mode fast enough. so your argument does not hold up. There are plenty of oppurtunities to kill âbearsâ.
so why is it a bad idea? what negative impacts could it have on the game? what positive? what could be a better idea? if you have a counteridea, please let me know. i am eager to learn more.
The camper is in a inferior ship and every time he cynos up, he has to decloak. As long as the camper has no risk, the bears are also free of any risk. The moment the camper decides to engage, he is susceptible to the same amount of space pewpew as everyone else.
If you want to get rid of the cloaker, bait him. You do not get to decide when to engage, he does. He buys that advantage with a inferior ship and gives up a high slot for it.
Then whatâs your problem with afk cloakers? They should be welcomed content for you, but instead you write the same non-sense whine posts (without reading anything at all about the topic prior to doing so) as the people that want to avoid any and all pvp in nullsec.
And also:
What is the risk to the bear once the camper is no more? Zero, if heâs got even a tiny amount of functional brain cells. The camper isnât generating any income while heâs camping, whereas the ratters are creating massive amounts of ISK out of thin air, which in turn leads to people crying about inflated plex prices.
If you would have invested any amount of time at all into reading former proposals on how to âfixâ afk cloaking, youâd have read quite literally every single counter-argument to your idea there is. It comes up so often that I donât even bother anymore pointing out why itâs badly thought through and is nothing but crying for perfect safety.
You may or may not realize that, but the only goal that idea would accomplish is make nullsec free of every possible risk.
They have an unfair advantage which cant be dealt with, as i said.
you assume cloaky campers are in stealthbomers, but many of them are in nullified t3 cruisers.
this is true, if they dont know what they are doing.
as i said: there hasnt been a shortage of rorqkills that are not due to cloaky campers. There are plenty of ways to kill miningships, even without a cloaky camper, so there is alot of risk involved.
that is true, he is an alt, and dont need to make isk.
thats a fair point. i should have.
again with the assumtions. as i said, i dont want perfect safety. if i wanted that, i might aswell be mining in highsec. so you should stop that line of thinking. its not my goal here. at all. so stop.
no, as i said i dont want safety, and the idea does not magically make nullsec completely free of danger. as ive said before, there are PLENTY of possibilities to kill bears, even without a cloaky camper, which the killboards shows.
you seem to assume that i want to rid the game of cloaky camping. thats not what i want. I want them to be at the keyboard and actually play the game. Let me give you an example from my time in highsec:
i undocked my orca and said that boost were available. they came to the belt, started to mine, and went afk for a few hours. i hate that.
This is what cloaky camping also is. they log in after DT and stay afk, until they dont, alas shutting down a whole system without being at the keyboard.
what i hoped to accomplish with the idea, was that, at least with that, theyâd have to be at the computer to camp. and that is fine. i welcome that. It is an assumtion i know. but i highly doubt that a afk camper is watching his screen for 23 hours a day. Thats what i really wanted to combat with the idea, not to make it perfectly safe. because i dont. it would make this game superboring.
as for people crying about plex-prices:
yes i know, a safe nullsec for miners would crash it, which is why I welcomed both the nerfs to the rorq and the carrier. But AFK camping is not the answer. camping, sure, but not AFK camping. because that is risk free.