Then you have bigger issues…
It’s your choice to rat without protection or not rat at all. It seems to me you think you have a right to rat and if other players are stopping you, or ready to attack you when you do, its not ‘fair’. What if i told you it’s not only fair, but the whole point of null.
You are not entitled to rat. You must be ready at all times.
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Local chat.
No, it is absolutely not impact because the things you would do in reaction to the AFK cloaker (staying aligned, farming in fleets of PvP ships, etc) are things you should already be doing. The existence of an AFK cloaker here is irrelevant.
So jumping into a near by system and ratting is not being redye to deal with the problem while the rest of the corp is sleeping?
or are you just afraid that a broken mechanic has been highlighted and actually discussed and if fixed, would mean that you would have to actually put forth effort and try to be a nuisance rather just push one button and become an invincible hot dropper, with absolutely no counter, short of a dedicated 24 hour in system fleet on standby.
If no perma cloak ships are present, it only takes 2 players in a dead end system 3 in a pipe and 1 more per branch off gate system connected to the one you are ratting in to give a heads up when danger is incoming to dock up your ratting ship and break out your PvP ships.
So a cloaker comes into your sov and parks… Now you get no warning and have no way to force combat or counter it’s presence, hunt it down or do anything… but hunt his IP and neutralize him IRL.
Or go in a near by system to do your ratting clear of cloaky reds and wait and hope he gets board.
I don’t afk cloak genius. You call every mechanic you don’t like broken?
You don’t have to hunt a cloaker. You get the cloaker to come to you. They aren’t exactly tough ships. If the rest of your alliance is logged off, boo hoo, sucks to be you. Null sec isn’t a loners game. Hell, eve isn’t a loners game.
At the end of the day, if a cloaker makes you dock up, you probably don’t belong in null. High sec on the other hand has no such problems.
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Where do you live? I’ll AFK cloak your home and drop bombs on you at random inopportune times.
Because you are ALWAYS online when all your friends are.
(Hint hint, you are not and we all know it.)
Teonusude. Knock yourself out 
(maybe you should come try it out) but even when i lived in null or a wh. I ratted with hostiles in local. Hell i even salvaged in a noctis with hostiles in local. I understood the risks, lost sometimes, won other times. It’s the nature of the game.
No my friends aren’t always online when i am. And i adapt to that. Doesn’t mean anything is broken. Remember, we arent entitled to rat or mine. Just because your friends arent aways present, it doesn’t mean the game should hold your hand.
If someone wants to contest your system by sitting cloaked they can. The next move is up to you. Hundreds of players manage to do it every day.
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This is a great quote. I’d like you to consider the opposite while your a it. Neither are you entitled to camp wherever or whenever you like. Or, you know, those other guys who are doing that. They aren’t entitled to camp just because there’s people out there in a system somewhere they wish would explode.
And yet this is exactly what cloaks do for the camper. Gives them a magic little safety button that holds their hand so that no one can hunt them down out of the system. After all, it’s the only way the other people in the system can be at risk—by ensuring the camper is never at risk.
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Yeah! Good thing gate camps, and the like can prevent that!
No it doesn’t.
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Having that fleet at all times your corp is operating is basic competence in nullsec. You aren’t doing it to counter an AFK cloaker, you’re doing it because any threat might appear and you take preemptive action to ensure that if the threat attacks you it’s a suicide mission. The problem is not the AFK cloaking, it’s the lazy PvE farmers who feel entitled to maximum-profit solo farming and believe that PvP (including things like having a defense fleet organized) is an unfair burden that needs to be removed.
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You’re right. If they were entitled to, you couldn’t do anything to stop them, but you can do exactly that. They aren’t entitled to cloaky camping everywhere, as evidenced by the people that are good enough to blow up cloakers. But when you’re just too bad to blow him up, well, that’s your problem, ain’t it?
Perhaps if your alliance is so small that you are depending on a short list of friends to save you instead of coordinated alliance-wide efforts you’re just too small to succeed in nullsec? Have you considered merging with another alliance so that you can have sufficient strength to PvE in dangerous space? Or have you personally considered joining a group that is better aligned with your timezone?
Been there, done that.
AFK cloaky in all near by systems all by lonesome…
Standing fleets redye…24/7
Fleet answers a call in system 2+ jumps over.
6 enemy fleets of cloakers log in using AFK cloakers as perma scouts and bomb the hell out of everything they can, cloak up, fleet comes in they log off fleet wastes time unable to do anything.
CEO’s tell everyone to go to systems with no cloaky reds to rat,mine and run sites while we try and bait the cloakers out.
We got one, two days ago after setting up bait for him and his alts (All 24 of them) for THREE WEEKS STRAIGHT with a perfectly timed log in fleet.
He had another alt with a cyno non cloaky that he just kept logged off in system just in case we managed to get one of his cloakys.
Had another cloaked ship in system 8 hours later…
Why were you spread out across multiple systems instead of farming efficiently in a single group?
6 enemy fleets of cloakers log in
So, your enemy out-numbered you 6:1 and you died. Working as intended, stop whining.
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We mostly PvP and I did not die, but a lot of new players did.
Our corp and several others are trying to keep a bit of null opened up to give new players a chance to try out null.
The newer players do not have the SP to do everything perfectly or as efficiently as needed to stand on there own.
(Well just bring them into your systems to rat and do stuff then)
Let a flood of new players right into our corp…
That is just stupid.
Selling them a dedicated PvP zone in a PvP sandbox as “totally safe area” is even more stupid.
Sounds like he’s way better than you guys and is outplaying you. That’s just how the hunter and hunted game works. But unlike some prey animal, you have the chance to learn from your mistakes and iteratively adapt. Start with rooting out his totally obvious spies in your corporation…
That is why the separate newbie corp.
Spies can be found before becoming a serious threat to the main body.
The problem is, unless you are a well organized, well established corp already, you don’t have much of a chance at dealing with AFK perma cloaked ships.
and we have not sold them anything, simply opened up some space and freed it from randoms wandering through.
Only dedicated cloak griefers packing cynos can cause serious problems.
Then why is it a problem that they die? Nullsec is not for newbies, and CCP should not make design changes just because newbies try to go out into endgame-level space and fail. Obviously newbies shouldn’t be banned or anything, but “newbies can’t cope with this” is not an excuse. Newbies in endgame content should be expected to die constantly, just like if you put a week-old newbie in a level 4 mission.
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Welcome to EVE. If you are not well organized then you shouldn’t have a chance of success. Stop being bad at EVE, get organized, and get established before you attempt to control space in nullsec.
and we have not sold them anything, simply opened up some space and freed it from randoms wandering through.
Apparently you haven’t opened it up or secured it because your newbies keep dying. Perhaps the problem here is your incompetence in thinking you can declare a region “newbie space” and expect that to mean that the newbies can enjoy zero-risk farming while you do very little to maintain their safety?
Only dedicated cloak griefers packing cynos can cause serious problems.
AFK cloaking is not griefing. The term ‘griefing’ has a meaning, and it is not “any PvP encounter that I don’t like”.
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