I can think of a con.
These guys’ Diplomat talked me out of a relatively straightforward “Clear the Customs Offices out of my system” contract in favor of moving into their space and paying a 5% tribute of ore mined and then one of their own participated in a multi-billion isk gank as I was moving in the station service modules and the fuel.
I told exactly one person my plans and my rough timeline.
My own corp members didn’t know.
Hell, my GF didn’t even know and she doesn’t even play the game.
I suppose since they “got paid” there is an element of “professional” there, but not honor.
Thaddeus reached out to me in-game, very upset about this post and rightfully so.
I did not make it clear in my post that my issue is with the Diplomat, not the organization as a whole. Partly that’s because I wasn’t aware of the degree to which the Diplomat exceeded his negotiating authority and failed to communicate the details of the conversation we had and the promises he made.
I can’t speak to whether there was malice or just staggering incompetence on the part of that player but either way, Thaddeus’ offer of replacing HALF of my immediate losses was rejected.
First of all, my losses were not all there. I lost a day sorting out what was lost and what needed replacing and then restaging it to the forward base.
During Thaddeus’ conversation with me he more than once clearly indicated that his idea of solving this might just be wiping my tiny little corp out (something I can’t do a thing about - we’re not a militant corp and we’re very small).
His anger was that the “Who Dares Wins.” alliance being called out for misbehavior and to the degree that it wasn’t the entire alliance that misbehaved, he is correct that my post was inappropriate.
There was nothing of negotiating anything in that conversation, though.
Yes. He apologized for the attack. He did it with a lot of self-justification, but he did it.
He pressed me hard for an immediate decision about whether I was staying or leaving, which I couldn’t give him. I told him I needed to take some time to decide what I was going to do, that I didn’t have the resources to take the structure down and relocate it because frankly I’m broke after the debacle that more than doubled the cost of fitting and fueling the structure initially.
He gave me one day to make up my mind.
That’s not a negotiation. That’s a notification.
Frankly, it’ll take me longer than that to do the cost benefit analysis of staying versus leaving with the restrictions Thaddeus added to my freedom to operation in nearby space.
Additionally, since it was the Diplomat’s idea for me to come here in the first place, it never occurred to me that I’d be facing a need to vacate within a week of bringing the structure online. It was not part of even my worst contingency planning.
I’m not prepared to make a snap decision and I’m not prepared to immediately vacate the system, other than by abandoning it altogether and losing my entire investment. At a minimum, if I decide to leave, it will take me a month to do so gracefully, likely two.
But I have a day to make up my mind.
Use care when dealing with any “fuzzy” negotiations in game (anything not in an in-game contract). There are varying levels of competence, honor, and communication skills to be dealt with and it’s very easy for the guy with the guns to say “Our version of this is the only truth that matters.”
Thaddeus, thank you for reaching out. If you find it necessary to wipe my corp’s assets out, you’ll do so and I’ll report it here and elsewhere.
If I decide I can still do what I intended to do - put a market in an underserved part of the universe - put in manufacturing and research and invention and refining services open to anyone who needs them - I’ll do my best to keep the structure in place.
If I decide I can’t, I’ll do my best to move it, but on my own timeline.
The errors here (assuming it wasn’t outright malice) were entirely that of the alliance Diplomat.
That’s not the fault of the membership of that alliance and for painting them all with the same brush, I apologize.