Meta modules

Hello, i would like to propose that when preprocessing meta modules it gives a new material: “Metanite” for lack of a better term.

Metanite is used in the production of new meta scripts. For example “Meta Missile Range Script” for lack of a better term.

Meta scripts are a better variant of the base script.

The goal and motivation is to get new and better scripts and potentially fixing how some meta modules seem to be cheaper than the standard module even tho they are better.


Exhibit A of potential imbalance


Exhibit B

Lets discuss

Issue: There is no precedent of manufacturing Meta modules.

Issue: Market could be flooded with metanite and the Meta script could end up being cheaper than the standard script which would be ironic

Other issues?

I will walk myself out

We already told you why they are cheaper. It’s because they drop from almost every mob in the game, and they don’t have to be produced.

Imo its unbalanced when better variants are cheaper

Meta modules are only better than simple T1, not better than T2.

Also T1 is more reliably produced than meta modules (which rely on drops) and as a result the more popular meta modules are in fact more expensive than T1. For example take a look at ‘compact’ damage control modules or the ‘restrained’ microwarp drive prices.

The reason the meta modules in your example are cheaper is that almost no one uses those, so they approach the bottom (reprocessing) value. And the T1 modules are used as input to create T2 modules, which is why they’re worth more than some rarely useful meta modules: T1 modules do have a use!

I think meta modules are in a good spot, I see no reason to change it.

What is your definition of popular?

Popular is that people use those modules often.

People do not often use compact afterburners or enduring afterburners as it’s better to simply use the faster T2 afterburners instead.

Examples of popular meta modules are ‘restrained’ microwarp drives or ‘compact’ shield extenders and damage controls. These meta modules circumvent common fitting troubles so people like using them. Check their prices to see how popular they are.

In many if not most cases the better meta variants seem cheaper than the base variant. For example Large Compact Pb-acid Cap battery. Is it not popular?

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Better variant is cheaper

that seems to be all your hooked on is the price… try comparing the other aspects of the mods.

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Do you not know that meta variants are better than the base?

The solution could be to make meta variants reprocess into the base variant + 1 morphite. This may also put a damper on mineral price inflation which just made a new all time high.

@CCP_Rattati @CCP_Burger

MWD 1 is also larger… 25m3 compared to 10m3 of the metas.

Being smaller seems like a benefit

Funny how different markets have different prices.

For example if you look at 5MNs, which I had in mind when I made that mention about meta microwarp drives, you see that the local prices are significantly higher for the much more popular ‘compact’ version and often used ‘restrained’ version which have to be imported all the way from Jita (or looted, but that’s unreliable as source) because they cannot be made locally like T1 or T2:

Who would have known that a game with different markets and different ways of sourcing items could have different prices!

I think they’re fine.

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Not really a good indicator. Jita traders would cut their own throats just to beat another trader by half an ISK on an item…

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Please elaborate

Ah, you must have missed out on the good old days of .00000000000001 ISK market trading. Traders would see the price of someone else’s offering, and modify theirs by .0000000001 ISK just to have the best deal by a billionth of a percent. It took over a decade, but CCP finally changed it to where the cost to de-list and re-list an item increased significantly, making it no longer worth it to do that.

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