And then single-account miners would be able to increase their yields, putting even more resources onto the market, and driving down prices even further, which was their original complaint in the first place. Genius….
As result of a mining minigame like that there will indeed be a new equilibrium value for ore below the current one, one that pays attentive single account miners (and small scale multiboxers with enough spare time to pay attention) better and massive multiboxers worse than the status quo.
As multiboxers still greatly benefit from their additional accounts I’m sure most of them will still make use of this benefit, but it makes single account mining more viable and EVE as a whole more approachable for new and casual players.
I think that’s a good change.
I still fail to see where a multiboxer gets automatically more yield in those scenarios compared:
2 Singleboxers: 1 Orca + 1 Hulk. Earnings shared.
1 Multiboxer: 1 Orca + 1 Hulk. Earnings shared.
If your complaint then is: “ok…but in the second scenario, he doesn’t share equally between accounts, he gives all to one account!”.
Then while this might be true, the player behind the accounts pays for both the two accounts and not one single account and also no one forbids the singleboxers to found a corporation and work for a common goal.
This.
It’s one person. Boosting math ignored for simplicity, a multiboxer with two miners earns double of what two miners with a single account each earn in the same time.
A multiboxer with 10 accounts will earn 10 times as much as a single account miner.
As mining is so easily multiboxed and multiboxing is prevalent amongst miners, this has a massive downward pressure on the ore value, because no multiboxer is going to care about how much a single mining account can earn, as long as their 10 accounts earn enough to make mining worth it compared to other activities.
As result mining in a single barge pays far below many other single player activities like exploration.
I think this is an issue as it makes one of the core activities of this game nonviable for casual and new players who are not (yet) willing to add additional accounts.
An optional mining minigame for extra yield can give single account miners a boost to well above the threshold a multibox miner thinks is worth the value of a single account, which gives single account mining more value in a part of the game dominated by multiboxers.
As an additional bonus it also feels good for miners to be able to earn more than when they’re AFK by interacting with the game.
The earning per account is the same as with individual players. It is just the inefficiency of those 10 players and as those 10 players being different humans and not one person where the one brain is thinking for all Hulks. If those 10 players were to agree more on certain workmodels of certain cultures or even if they work on a common goal within a corporation, the difference to a multiboxer is negligable.
So effectively you also have to disincentivize corporation mining fleets if you were serious, or even abolish corporations and anything altogether, where resources are shared and convert EVE to a multiplayer game with otherwise isolated single players.
This has already been the case for the past 20 years. Why do you think there are 137 million one-man corps……
Also known as Chinese Gold Farmers…..
Another thing that might shock everyone here is that there are quite some real-world very rich people into gaming in their freetime. I have seen some reports in the past where they in order to have an advantage would just pay a few employees to play the game with them and hand over all earned stuff. On a meta-level the same as multiboxing, but with actual humans and one human profiting from their work.
No, that’s not what I say.
10 individual players will be able to pay more attention than one player multiboxing 10 accounts, which means 10 individual players can make full use of this mining minigame for extra yield while a multiboxer probably cannot.
The multiboxer can still benefit from multiboxing and earns more per player, but will earn less per account than players with fewer accounts.
and has 10 times the expenses as a single account miner
and puts in 10 times the effort if they’re playing within the rules.
Not nearly 10 times the expenses. Only monetary expenses.
Time is far more precious, and a multibox miner is spending just as much time as a single account miner to earn far more.
This is why I think a multibox miner should still benefit from their additional accounts but not in linear fashion.
Let the time of the single account miner also be worth something.
10 hulls and fits for those hulls is 10 times the expense.
If the multiboxer isn’t paying attention, they’re probably losing the whole fleet instead of just one ship.
That’s a mentality issue, not a mechanic issue. The only people crying that solo miners are worthless are solo miners.
You completely ignored my argument that time is valuable.
Is your time free?
My time is valuable, which is why I used to multibox. Now I just PLEX my wallet and play for fun instead of turning a game into a second job.
So if you agree that time is valuable, do you also agree that multiboxers do not spend 10 times as much time and money as a single account player?
I don’t. I’m fortunate enough that I get to play as much as I want while I’m at work. Therefore, it costs me nothing timewise. There’s nothing else I could be doing anyway.,…
Wow…
You think the cost of 10 accounts and the isk for 10 fitted hulks is less than one account and one fitted hulk?
That explains a lot… ![]()
Do, please, show me the math behind that logic.
Try multiboxing once yourself please. You will find that you will need to manage more than one window and have double the mouse movements and clicks at the very least. You pay with a higher workload, more thinking and coordinating stuff yourself. Also higher side expenses may arise significantly. Like power and hardware cost.
I did not say that, you’re making yourself ridiculous.
I do multibox.
I think it’s unfair for people who do not multibox that their time is worth less than mine.
It scares potential new players away from EVE when they hear one of the first activities they encounter in the game is not worth doing ‘unless they multibox’.
I’m not trying to get rid of multiboxing, I’m just trying to make single account mining worth doing.
The word you are looking for is equity, which tends to only reward the lazy….