Mining Redesign: Big, Lone Rocks

game-mechanics
redesign

(Valdr Auduin) #1

Sudden thought: what if asteroids were very large rocks with days/weeks/months/years of minable ore? To the point it would be feasible to support CORP-sized operations centered around one or two rocks, each separated by off-grid or near-off-grid levels of distance.

  • Would they still be single-mineral objects?
  • Would mining rates need to be effected? Ought there be percentage chances of useless ore (non-ore object that fills out the ‘empty’ mass of the rock), whole mining cycles or parts of a cycle’s load that has limited/no use and probably needs to be jetcan’d (effects on drone-mining here)? Rat populations? Rat shipyard activities? Rat mega-raids, and buildup instances that can be suppressed to delay timers/reduce raid size, on corp structures near rocks?
  • Would there be only as many active rocks as there are belts today? Would there be more rocks? How would respawn mechanics need to be affected? Should asteroids become scan-down objects instead of general system objects? Should the semi-randomised distance between rocks be close enough that stations can support each other if something drops between them? Should it prevent chains of ‘fortifications’? What’s a near-ideal mix between the two?
  • How badly might it impact PvE/PvP for lone miners? Will this encourage carebear behavior or support micro-raids (is that even possible to dial in?)?

There’s still some nostalgia for large-scale environment objects, so I might as well put this up and see the responses.


(Arthur Aihaken) #2

Can you hide behind them though? Or do we get to watch weapons travel through 20km+ of solid rock?


(Valdr Auduin) #3

I’m not sure the if the game code supports LoS blocking. I’d like it in feature, but that’s me.


(MinerArt) #4

For people unfamiliar with Spodzilla’s total.

For it’s size. Yes that’s a barge…

Picture accidentally warping into it?


(Arthur Aihaken) #5

Perfect! Now they just need to block weapons fire…


(THX 1138c) #6

this would literally break everything
is it to hard to switch rocks after it is vanished or what is the point?
what next? out jetcan option if the cargo is full?
collecting rocks without targeting them and purely be present near them?


(Valdr Auduin) #7

None of the above, just spitballing because it sounds neat and I’m curious about the ramifications and advantages.


(MinerArt) #8

Isn’t that the Rorqual’s main feature?


(THX 1138c) #9

wew sound fun one day I should try that.
imagine the trill you get.
warp to belt
drop drones
wait
wait
wait
recall drones
warp to jita
sell

sounds like a fun proffesion


(MinerArt) #10

Joke’s on you. Rorqual doesn’t get high sec access.


(THX 1138c) #11

true.
*warp home
*switch to jump freighter
*jump to jita
*profit

fixed it


(MinerArt) #12

Can’t jump into Jita either. High sec.


(THX 1138c) #13

come on now.
Im nu to this highly skilled profession.
im not aware of all those small details. only master miners could know
you know what I mean


(Valdr Auduin) #14

You’re being silly, stick to the idea and debate its merits and flaws, flaws particularly, please.


(THX 1138c) #15

as I said
afk could be exploited even more
it would make mining even lower effort

as a pure atmospheric element this could be nice but that’s it.
and I think ccp already going this way.
maybe it could be possible to implement something like this in low null j
so you have to shoot it first with somewhat to become a regular belt.
and it spawns like ice belts do.


(Valdr Auduin) #16

A mid-size between free belts and moons? Maybe it needs strip-miners to “calve off” a mineable belt?

ED: maybe the rock doesn’t regenerate a belt and slowly depletes (thus new rocks that spawn in after one depletes will be hidden among the scannable sites)? special ‘mining crystal’ cutting charges are used in the strip-miners with variants that have better chances at spawning belts with a higher amount of one type of ore in the belt or another? pirate shipyard instances produce rocks that spawn higher-quality belts than normal for the region/system?


(Dark Engraver) #17

Son the bigger the rock the more parasitic rorquals would be atracted to it.


(Arthur Aihaken) #18

@Dark_Engraver Speaking as one of the parasitic Rorquals, are we? :bug:


(Valdr Auduin) #19

Sounds like a juicy stab for pirates, a valiant defense by the miner homefleets and more content for EVE history books.


(MinerArt) #20

You do understand that Spodzilla was covering about 30km worth of space? This would include the warp in point.