There might be one or two guys that could do it. Never underestimate the Eve player base for outliers and unhealthy life choices.
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Yeah Hug clearly hasn’t been playing the game very long
He doesn’t seem to appreciate that because things have recently been a certain way that it hasn’t always been the same
In days gone past people didn’t whinge they aren’t rich enough to actively defend “their” space. They were poorer and just got on with it. Better mechanics helped but people like him would’ve been back in high sec at that time.
I’ve never done afk krabbing. Also when there is juicier targets then an vexor/ishtar beeing semi-afk, its not about “the power of the chat widow”- the meaning of “power of local” means something else entirely.
you dont like me - becouse you dont like my idea or just that im here to discuss?
And you dont even want to have a back and forth disscution about the cloakfuel-idea.
i say this you - say that.
then i follow up with this and that - and you become silent in the idea disscution and change topic to bad mouthing me… In other words you are ignorant.
I guess thats why; I cleary do not respect your/other wishes…
Yes, I know the history of eve… I’m just saying that it’s near impossible to “reset” the game back to the “standards of old”.
First, it isn’t really good for a game to be as punishing to its players, as it used to be…? 90’s mentality was wrong… but if you overlook that very “core aspect” that a game should be enjoyable.
“resetting” is a people problem, people/humans have this amazing brain that gets used to new surroundings fast, if they deteriorate this alarms the brain that something is wrong. And it has continuously been deteriorating for 1 year now, no end in sight.
tl;dr Everyone should stop living in the past. even ccp.
The “same” feeling of the old game system - will never ever come back, even if ccp nerfed eve into the ground to be more punishing than it ever has been. It’s simply impossible.
I could do it practically speaking, I’m pretty sure a lot of people could do it if they found joy in doing it.
it’s not about being an outliner or having an unhealthy life.
I’m a distance student, my computer is a part of my daily life. Same with “office rats”… setting an alarm clock for 15 min to alt-tab away from current work is far from impossible.
It might seem “impossible” to you - but it’s really not. work/school/life all places us at our computers, its actually a widely known “modern-day problem”.
also FYI, about the outliners and unhealthy life choices.
dude, get a take on life, the nr 1 drug of casual online gamers are weed AND Methamphetamine which will have you sitting up for days on end, the latter is also prevalent for “coders”, and “hardcore” gamers/e-sports)*
Also, worth noting
WHEN these guys avoid decloaking 24/7, there is still no actual evidence they are botting.
so the player gets unbanned.
as has happened already prior to the mobile observatory, a mass-alt AFK-cloaky camper where evidently botting on 40+ accounts. But got unbanned after he came up with a “good enough excuse” since there was no evidence, only a suspicion.
funny. the PvE income in high-sec/low-sec is (alot) better than it is in null-sec.
if I were the person you accuse me of being, I would be in high-sec already, for over a year.
It’s funny because you haven’t figured this out yet… but you are giving me grief about “not knowing the game”.
it also reflects on the idea of “remove local in null”. … Removing local chat will not make krabbers magically fly back from the lucrative low/highsec isk train.
Not even slow mode can stop Hug-Mo.
hate to repeat myself, so I just use the quote function
With 24/7 I mean literally online 24/7.
I’d like to find the first person that can keep recloaking every 15 minutes for a full day, let alone a full week without sleep. A day is possible if you put in enough effort, but I cannot imagine how someone is going to feel after a full day of 15 minute alarms.
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It’s not a question of getting them out of high sec, there’s still plenty of players in null sec. Most of them are just afraid to come out whenever there’s somebody they don’t have standings with in local
The fix is easy though if you do the whole risk/reward analysis. Bigger risk, bigger reward, it’s that simple. If you want safety, go and run missions in high sec for chump change. If you want more, embrace the dangers of null sec and accept other players are out to get you and you have to compete with them.
Right now, people in null sec don’t even deserve better money than high sec because it’s negligibly more dangerous.
While I am first and foremost a pvper, I do PVE in null sec to fund it too. I never die in a non consensual way because it’s easy not to. I would genuinely be at greater risk from suicide gankers in high sec, And FWIW I don’t think anybody in high sec is pulling in the isk/time I do either.
the one I found is in the cemetery, now.
a dude in my class was abusing methamphetamine, his “norm” was 4-5 days up playing games, 2 days of weed & sleep… then repeat.
but after a couple of years of this, he died in his own sleep, choked to death by his own vomits.
tl;dr Don’t do drugs.
anyways… I’ve been a part of a null region that was “hell camped” by this previously un-/banned AFK-Cloaker… not even he was online 24/7.
(even though he could be 100% afk and also later suspected/banned/unbanned, because of botting scripts…)
tl;dr…
no one is actually talking about 24hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days, when they say “AFK camp 24/7”?
and no one is actually thinking a normal person, that is doing 100% undetectable/uncatchable botting, would be doing it 24/7/365, as that’s the only thing that puts them at risk.
yeah sure, tell ccp to include bigger rewards of living in null-sec. I’m down for that.
it’s like your not listening… if i want “more”, I should go to high sec or lowsec.
there is no “bigger risk = bigger reward” when it comes to anomalies and mining in null-sec.
there is ONLY a bigger risk.
This is the problem, you and other players “dip your toes” in pve for a “hit and run experience” in hostile sov or whatnot.
does that pay off, YES.
Is it the same as to actually live in null 24/7 doing it every day? NO.
there is a diminishing return.
Oh I was. You know, those AFK campers that literally were in system all day long, 24/7? Those guys.
Mobile observatories stop that.
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I’ve actually never seen a camper that stays in the system for the full 24/7. (not even the botter did this).
I’ve played in null for about 2 years now. so IDK, I haven’t seen it all.
from what I can recall.
if the camper is online for 24hrs and comes back after downtime, it’s never for a full 7-day duration.
and vice versa.
if they stay for 7 days - a month, multiple months… it’s never for a full 24 hrs per day.
So anyway, why we talking about the concept of what 24/7 camping means…
when i say people will bot and its 100% undetectable, im talking about the people that are online for a couple of hours/day, every day
That’s literally nothing like what I do. For what I do there is no diminishing return, I can consistently hit a certain x per hour average if I want to. But that’s not what the discussion is about.
As for the other comment, it’s like you’re not listening, that was a proposal of a fix, not how the game is now. It’s just not justified to see much greater income than high sec when the danger isn’t there currently. You can’t decline hostile player interactions and then have an expectation to earn more on the basis of being in the pvp area of the game. Null sec is and was before this patch, very, very safe and it’s made the game boring AF
im saying that the income in highsec/lowsec is greater then sov null.
(if you know what you are doing)
argueing that nullsec is safe and boring dosent matter, and if it did matter.
giving pve-players a incentive to be in sov null is needed first.
“more danger” to sovnull does not make sense.
introducing more danger in a cheapo/hobo sov null, would only drive people away even more.
I guess there aren’t enough ships going down and plex buying isn’t where the investors wants it , so every new update pushes for more ways for ships to die by weakening the means to get away 
What’s the point of cloacking then if you get trapped in a system with only 2 ways out, they can just camp both gates and wait 20 mins for you to get decloacked or what the timer is then …sure death.
Well . . . you could filament out, or spend the rest of the day warping between safe spots.
Filament out…somewhere…good. Feels like every new update is against any form of casual playing…unless it’s trade and never undocking. …In exploration You’re out there in highly dangerous wh or system …you need to take a break for some real life issue , check something or you just want to wait out some gang that’s in there for business and you got no filaments …or you filament to some other null where it’s no different…lol . You can’t cloack in a safe spot, do your irl urgency and comeback without logging off, to loose all the scanned sigs on your route…
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CCP doesn’t care as long as the krabs are happy. Your presence as a temporary afk explorer is a dangerous threat to krab safety hobbling their alliance activity and you need to be excised from blue donutland.
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I don’t think CCP even remembers that wormholes exist.
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Meh, I’m done exploring whatever ccp intends their game changes to bring.
all I can say that ccp is in dire need to have an INTP person in their development team.
im assuming you talking about the cloakfuel offtopic discussions?
the point was, people would perhaps bring a blingy blop ship to be able to cloak for more than 45min.
and that the cloaked would be pushed to actually be more “active” and to use the cloak time wisely / make decisions that matter etc…
and yeah, ofc they could use it to just sit cloaked and filament out when the cloak-fuel wasn’t anymore.
basically, cloak-fuel would be more favourable to the active cloak hunters, then observatory is
it would however become a “game breaker” to “l33t cov-up hunters” that plan to be semi-AFK for the entire day while watching Netflix and/or botting. hence the negative feedback i’ve been getting about the idea here on the forums.
this is not correct… where have you been the last year?
basically, ccp saw a small group of players racking up trillions of isk, then proceeded to have an entire “starvation period” … that basically only cuts the ladder behind the trillion isk group of players.
aka problem still exist, so ccp makes krabbers unhappy without reasons.