I mean, would you like us to be more strict? I will happily do so right after I review all these rules from 3 years ago that need an update. I’m not sure the rest of you would appreciate the additional strictness.
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I mean, that’s not what people are saying.
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You had to miss breakfast so I will miss my tv show.
Do it.
If ppl want to whine that much, just get it over with. Lets see how many new posts are left. Meh…
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so you are crying that they aren’t moderating properly and now that he’s suggesting it, you are backing down??
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No thanks. I’d rather find a way to get it so more people post here. Maybe a daily reward 
I don’t know what gives you that idea. Unless English is your second language.
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The only reason some participants want more strictness is because its their nuclear option - the stance of “if I can’t have it, then no one will.” Coincidentally, these are the same people who refuse to argue in good faith.
Even to the casual observer, it’s obvious that posters are generally split into one of two camps, depending on their subscription to a particular belief with regard to how the game should be played. No need to name the groups, since we all know what I’m talking about. But, accepting this duality, and evaluating the way each group posts as a whole, it’s easy to note many behavioral patterns. For example, one group tends to lean much more on using throwaway alts to make posts, to post rants, to complain about moderation, to tell other posters how blocked they are, to make veiled, indirect insults, to go off-topic by talking about other people, etc. The other group places a high emphasis on direct argument through logic, is much more inclined to directly taunt and make fun of others, to go off-topic by talking about other topics and posting memes and jokes, etc.
No matter how much moderation the forum has, this conflict between the two groups will never go away; it’s an extension of the conflict that exists in the game itself. This conflict positively correlates with how each group behaves. In the game, certain players are predators, and certain players are prey. Predators aren’t inclined to rant, or to use alts. Similarly, prey aren’t inclined to get into logical arguments, because that means confrontation and risk of loss, and that’s something they’d rather avoid.
You can’t mod this conflict away. To do so would necessarily entail either choosing a side, or restricting the discussions allowed on the forums to such a degree that they become devoid of activity. Conflict between players is the game’s central focus, and as such, it will also be the central focus on the forums. A hands-off approach is the only sensible choice here (while still eliminating fringe cases dealing in extreme hostility).
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Nice fan fiction.
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Sorry Peen, you’re off our spectrum, so you’re not allowed to participate in this.
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Nyoooom
Moderate @MB_ThePhotographer more please and thank you
#trollpost
Oh, I have to post meaningfully so as to not be moderated myself. Okay, here goes:
CCP Employees would exhibit equal amounts of bias and favoritism. The reality is that there already exists banter between CCP employees and forum regulars to the extent that some of them know some of us by now (esp. between those that meet up face to face), and this would be truer to an even greater extent than it already is now if CCP employees (even new faces) were in permanent positions as moderators. Their moderation would not be better or worse, no more or less objective or biased than volunteers. In fact, it would be HARDER to hold CCP employees accountable because there wouldn’t exactly be someone above them to hold them accountable or moderate the moderators now would there?
I think the volunteers have done a fantastic job. In particular, the most senior and active moderator, Vice Admiral Batman ISD Dorrim BastyLody, could not possibly make better judgement calls when his intervention is required. (I’ve only ever had a complaint with one ISD over a year ago, though I neglected to flag the post from the ISD member/email the community team when I probably should have.) Point is, I don’t think moderation being taken over by CCP employees would address any problems. What it is guaranteed to do, however, is deplete salaries that could go toward hiring additional game developers or even the marketing department’s efforts toward getting new players into the game.
A very slim minority of players want more strict overall moderation - I’m willing to bet the farm that they well not have their way, and I am happy they won’t. Given the choice between greater overall moderation and maintaining the status quo, I’d maintain the status quo. Only a select few areas need systemic improvement with regards to increased moderation, but a blanket increase in strictness is not required. The forums should not become more spartan (overall) just because a select few residents have victim-complexes or are easily affronted.
this is an example of:
Feel free to quantify the claim with a review of post history. Does this need to be moderated at the post level? No - almost none of his posts require moderation as isolated offenses; however, the cumulative sum needs to be moderated. Foggy contributes little to the community in terms of regularly making positive, constructive, or insightful commentary, but rather his posts are almost exclusively toxic or, at best, mundane so as to be unable to dissipate the stench. Ideally, moderators would track such patterns and be more willing to intervene on posts based on the post patterns of users: less toleration for regularly toxic posters.
(Yes, I’m well aware I’m breaking the rules by discussing moderation of a specific individual 
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By contrast, this is an example of banter (Foggy’s remark was not banter) that needs not be moderated individually or holistically. Destiny is good people. I love her, biased ISD love her too… and that’s okay because she’s not toxic! Destiny’s posts are only provocative to those who are easily affronted, but that’s THEIR problem, and not a problem that needs to be addressed by ISD revising their policies and practices. The solution is for them to grow a spine.
As for Destiny… Destiny’s post has earned an
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Still trying to cyber with Destiny?
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She’s an active member on my Discord. Mission accomplished.
We need to get Peen in there too.
This 100%^
Especially with Internal Affairs looking over their shoulder.
Supposedly when somebody flags a post the ISD Volunteer’s are notified. The forums here have an automated system that allows the poster an option to edit the post after 10 minutes. Course since ISD is notified, they can jump into the thread and edit or delete posts whenever they see fit. Supposedly their actions are then checked by a paid CCP Employee?
Anyway, according to this Dev Blog, at the start CCP Employees moderated the forums with the help of ISD members but due to them having access to private information (such as the names of Players alt characters) and their ability to ban players from the forums, CCP shut down the ISD Moderator program in 2007.
Towards the end of 2011 CCP implemented new forums (now old Forums), then decided to reactivate the ISD Moderator program and asked for volunteers to help them moderate the new Forums. ISD CCL volunteers were granted specific roles which allowed them to:
Edit threads and posts – Volunteers can remove offensive, trolling, flame and spam content in threads and posts. These edits will be monitored by the Community team daily.
Move threads – If a thread is created in the incorrect forum subsection then volunteers can move it to the correct area.
Moderate thread titles – If a thread has been created with a misleading or incorrect title then a volunteer can change it to something more appropriate.
Delete posts – Posts which contain keyloggers, pornography or inappropriate links can be deleted. These deletions will be monitored by the Community Team.
Supposedly ISD actions were monitored daily by CCP Employees to ensure the forum rules were being enforced equally and fairly among all posters.
In August 2017 the old forums were shut down and these new Discourse Forums were implemented. The role of ISD moderators was shifted from acting as enforcers of the rules to being community ambassadors who assist with responses to questions and issues, as well as provide feedback to CCP on common problems. Over time that ISD role has shifted back to being enforcers of the rules and with their recently gained ability to silence posters, now have even more power in controlling the content posted in these forums.
However to think a CCP Employee will see ISD Volunteers doing selective moderation on certain individuals and specific thread topics here in the forums is laughable at best. And if there is an actual CCP Overwatch on what’s being moderated then there’s no need to actually use volunteers.
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History has shown that CCP employees were not enough to contain malicious posters.
People like LSG who spammed the forum with multiple alts showed the need for ISDs to have the power to respond fast and ban these individuals. It was not enough for the ISDs to delete/hide posts until a CCP employee could ban them.
There was a specific reason for why ISD got more power. Or are we just forgetting all this, because they were advocates for less PvP and a more “friendly” highsec?
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There you go again.
Pulling up ONE example to support a broad generalization is nothing more than apologist behavior. Which you will deny even though you put in writing for everyone to see.
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Meh. Personally I’m less interested in the history of the forums and more interested in the present and ideas of how to improve it. The old folks and bicker about the good(?) old days on their own time
Is there a reason for not mentioning it?
Again, LSG was one of the reasons for ISDs increase in power.
So my last sentence aside. With what we know from history, we already have proof that few CCP employees are not enough. The need to employ several people to keep track of a forum 24/7 (a forum that adds little actual value) seems like a waste of resources.
BS, if you actually started playing this game in 2012 and browsed the forums back then you would have seen that CCP Moderators had no problem issuing bans on malicious forum posters. In fact back then up to 2017 CCP enforced all the forum rules equally upon everybody. In fact there was a lot more activity in the forums back then compared to now.
I saw where and how that started and ISD incited that to happen. That player was being heavily trolled by the usual suspects with ISD just looking on, eventually ISD mistook a reply posted to another player as being directed to him and even after being informed of that, ISD had his panties all in a bunch and declared that thread as locked. ISD should have maintained a cool professional demeanor and privately messaged the player to defuse the tension which would have avoided that entire situation.
lol, talk about being biased and prejudiced…
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