Ok, you convinced me. 2 weeks Omega left then all accounts stay Alpha. Actually playing Eve is just not for me anymore. Just login a few times a month to keep my isk active for the MER.
If thatâs whatâs gonna make you happy, man, chase your bliss.
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Arrendis I tried to add you on discord but I need that code that goes with your name. I been playing the hell out of Star Citizen or I would have got back to you sooner. I still want to tell you my thought on why this entire war was faked to help turn EVE into a micro transaction game. I do have to ask if you are a partner with CCP and get free omega and plex added to you account from CCP every month like all the YouTube guys get and probably all of the CSM? Are you that guy on Liars in Station with Matterall, Rundell, and CSM Ken Feld?
This guy admits to taking bribs from CCP, start watching at 1:35 and he admits it.
CCP bribed all the YouTubers (with its partnership program) to sell the ore redistribution, scarcity, and the industry changes. I bet even the CSM get free game play and plex from CCP to lie for them. CSM Ken Felds was on Talking in Stations bragging about using 55000 plex to pay for all his accounts, now we know how he earned it. How many of the war leaders are on the take from CCP too? All of the CSM are from the big alliances and CCP DEVS are actually members of these big alliances too. This war was faked by CCP and their hand picked CSM. If CCP does not hand pick you, you will never be a CSM rep. The CSM (16) hide behind the NDA and sold the ore redistribution, scarcity, and the industry changes for CCP.
This war was a scam to drive customers to buy plex from CCP. All of CCP YouTube partners sold ore redistribution, scarcity, and the industry changes for CCP and they were paid with free omega and monthly plex added to their game wallets, oyea and the special appearance from CCP Rattati to help with the YouTube hits and the YouTube money.
How many of the CSM 16 are high ranking leaders or members in the alliances that dragged EVE through a 16 month war to help CCP destroy player wealth in EVE. You guys that just put your wealth into a 16 month long war only to see it all lost in matter of 2 weeks were scammed by CCP, the CSM, and your alliance leaders. The set you all up like bowling pins and are laughing at you from behind the NDA they signed.
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A) I already told you how to get in touch with me, and gave you a link to INN. The discord server link is at the upper-right of the front page.
B) I am not a CCP Partner, no.
C) I havenât been on the TiS Discord in years, and I have never gone on the show.
D) Re: the CSM. Itâs not a bribe, itâs literally one of the perks of being on the CSM: CSM - EVE Community
While serving on the CSM, all members of the Council are eligible for free Omega status on up to five accounts. They are also eligible for free admission to any CCP run event such as EVE Fanfest, and digital rewards associated with them.
E) Of the âWar Leadersâ, Vily, Progod, and Gobbins are on the CSM.
F) All of the CSM are from the big alliances? Thatâll be news to I Beast, Suitonia, and especially Mike Azariah, a highsec guy famous for running âthe Magic Busâ for new players. Yes, itâs true that the large, organized groups have a larger presence on the CSM, but that is how democracy works: the people who can organize and motivate voters actually get people elected.
G) The CSM do not âhide behindâ the NDA, they are restricted by it. Itâs a legally-binding contract. Look at what happened two years ago w/Brisc. Thereâs a reason he was so adamant about clearing his name, and it wasnât because âmuh PLEXâ. CCP basically attacked his RL livelihood, and you think a dude whoâs legit been on TV and represented clients in front of the US Congress gives a crap about free accounts in a video game?
H) Repeating âthe war was a scam to drive customers to buy plexâ doesnât make it true.
I) All of CCPâs YouTube partners sold ore redistribution and scarcity? ALL of them? Thatâs kinda ridiculous to assert. Plenty of CCPâs partners on YouTube just make music videos of fights, and such. Thatâs not selling anything.
J) How many of the CSM 16 are high ranking leaders or members in the alliances that dragged EVE through a 16 month war? I mean, it was 13 months, but the answer is four: Vily, Progod, Gobbins, and Kenneth Feld. The guys getting attacked didnât drag EVE through anything. We got attacked.
What, are we supposed to just throw up our hands and shout âOMG, WE QUIT!â? Please. You still havenât demonstrated a damned bit of evidence for anything here, except that CCP will comp up to 5 accounts for CSM members (which theyâve been doing basically since the CSM started, because of how much time and effort being on the CSM takes), and they give people in their Partner Program (who have to actually do stuff for EVE) perks, which, again, they are totally up-front about doing.
Are you going to accuse Pyfa of shilling for CCP and laughing at players, too? Maybe Dotlan?
Just repeating the accusations that the war was fake isnât evidence of it. It doesnât prove anything. In fact, having to just repeat that while throwing around accusations of malfeasance just undercuts any strength the claim might have.
As for Kenneth Feldâs 55000 PLEX⌠55000 PLEX is 10 accounts at the 12 month rate. The dude claims to be an industrialist, and heâs in an alliance full of people with literally trillions of ISK. Even if CCP compâd half of those accounts, Iâm more than sure heâs got the ISK to PLEX the rest.
Seriously, letâs see your actual evidence, not just wild accusations and speculation.
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The fact is, the circumstantial evidence is enough to get CCP, the CSM, and few YouTubers investigated for wire and advertisement fraud. CCP Rattati, the CSM, and a few YouTube channels sold a lie to customers that kept them paying for EVE. Had CCP been honest from day one with the fact that, scarcity and ore redistribution were new game mechanics that were never going away, I would have UN-subbed when CCP Ratatti told everyone to quit EVE. I could have saved myself the loss of a great deal of money had CCP been honest with its customers but CCP manipulated me into believing scarcity and ore redistribution was only going to last a few months which kept me paying for the game.
This war was a set up by CCP, the CSM, and a few paid YouTube propagandist so CCP could destroy player wealth in EVE. CCP did this so they could increase plex revenue and recoup Perl Abyssâs investment from buying EVE. I would bet that I am not the only CCP customer who feels CCP manipulated customers to keep them paying.
Only a investigation from FBI/FCC will make me believe any differently at this point. I want the criminals at CCP and their CSM, YouTube partners to pay for their crimes of advertisement and wire fraud.
No, it isnât.
CCP can make any changes they want to the game at any time and itâs your responsibility to know what those changes are, not their responsibility to tell you. Does that suck? Yes, but itâs pretty much standard in TOS across online services (which EVE is, since you own nothing here, you only license access to CCPâs property). Honestly, stop for a moment and think about how many lawyers are involved. Do you really think @Brisc_Rubal would risk being disbarred and losing his livelihood so CCP can defraud you?
No, the circumstantial evidence here is a) not enough to get anyone investigated for fraud, and b) not even evidence, since you have still yet to show any evidence of fraud at all. All you have is a bunch of âCCP is giving these people the PLEX they openly told us they would give them and I donât like the changes CCP made to their game that I agreed they can totally make whenever they likeâ.
And thatâs all predicated on the idea that scarcity was sold as a temporary thing, but that it will never go away. (The ore redistribution, you should notice, was not presented as âthis is only temporaryâ, except in the sense that all changes to the game are temporary, since they might get changed again later.)
Now thatâs just dumb on your part. I mean, Upwell structures still arenât finished, after six years. Logi still arenât on killmails after over a decade of CCP saying they want to do it. The only thing CCP said would happen in a time-frame of âmonthsâ (and, for the record, 48 months is still 48 months) was:
Re-read it yourself. They never gave a solid time-frame on anything.
I mean, JFC, CCP screws up pretty much everything they touch in some way, but that doesnât mean thereâs fraud involved. And you have shown absolutely nothing that actually suggests there was. It only suggests that you donât know the first thing about that of which you speak.
Failure to disclose. Companies can be held liable for misrepresenting a product by withholding crucial information that could influence the purchase decision.
So go ahead and un-sub and sue. Or alternatively, go to the appropriate agency and file criminal charges. Please hurry, and let us know how that works out.
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The FTC Act prohibits unfair or deceptive advertising in any medium. That is, advertising must tell the truth and not mislead consumers. A claim can be misleading if relevant information is left out or if the claim implies something thatâs not true.
If anyone else would like to file a complaint.
Except they didnât engage in any deceptive advertising. First off, they never advertised the game on the basis of super-abundant resources. And they never advertised the game based on âscarcity will end in X monthsâ. They said they planned to end it when they felt that the economy was where they wanted it, and when they had a better model to put in place.
And Rattatiâs still saying Q4 of this year is when weâll see them start to end it. If they miss that timeline, though, thatâs a missed deadline. Itâs not fraud, and itâs not deceptive advertising. Honestly, Karen, put down the pipe.
I am going to have charges brought against CCP for email wire fraud, intergalactic space collusion, and micro-racketeering.
I can have the charges dropped for 55000 plex worth of Bitcoin.
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CCP Ratatti said that ore redistribution and scarcity was temporary which mislead me to keep paying my fees. Had CCP Rattati said, ore redistribution and scarcity is a permanent new game feature, I would not even be on this forums.
The law statesâŚ
Failure to disclose. Companies can be held liable for misrepresenting a product by withholding crucial information that could influence the purchase decision.
Scarcity will still be here in Q4 and it will never be like it was before all this started. Ore redistribution which was part of scarcity will remain. The 14000 belts removed (dishonestly) by CCP and was also part of scarcity will never be added back to the game. So from my prospective, CCP Rattati is not even telling a half truth that is also against the law. CCP needs to start being honest with customers and stop withholding crucial information that could influence the purchase decision.
Except that Rattati also said that it wouldnât be a quick fix, and heâs consistently said that they were keeping an eye on things with an eye toward when theyâd feel comfortable ending scarcity. Further, heâs said theyâre planning to end the scarcity phase Q4 of this year.
Scarcity firmly ends in Q4 2021 with additional resources as well as player choice for what resources to distribute in your sovereign space.
And frankly, youâre not purchasing a product. Youâre licensing access to CCPâs data in accordance with the EULA and TOS that you agree to. And youâre getting that access. The TOS clearly states that CCP can change anything they want, at any time, and that you agree that itâs your responsibility to inform yourself about those changes.
Next, âScarcity will still be here in Q4â? Really? This is your basis for accusations of fraud? âOMG, you totally need to call the cops and get Bob arrested for theft, because he said heâd return my lawnmower by next December, and itâs August and he hasnât returned it yet!â
So CCP has committed fraud by not doing a thing by a deadline that hasnât happened yet? A deadline that is entirely their choice, and which they are perfectly entitled to alter or throw away, based on the TOS you agree to every time you login to their service.
Brilliant.
Yup CCP Rattati added to the chaos leaving out crucial information that could influence the purchase decision.
CCP said nothing about high sec space, only sovereign space. Once again CCP does not provide the crucial information need for customers to make well informed decision.
That does not place CCP above the law and CCP still has to provide its customers with crucial information that could influence the purchase decision. What in the world would make you think that a product license would somehow places CCP above that law? The laws are in place to make sure that cash transactions are done honestly and misrepresenting a products/licenses by withholding crucial information that could influence the purchase decision is against the law.
No, Rattati didnât give an initial estimate because CCP didnât have one. How scarcity impacted the economy and how quickly those effects happened depended on us. Do you seriously think saying that he didnât know how long it would takeâas he openly did on a number of CCP streamsâconstitutes fraud? Because it sounds to me like he was being honest.
Literally the only time the initial devblog mentions âsovereign spaceâ is before the economy part, in the âplayer surveyâ, where they talk about how often sov gets overturned as one of the things they want to hear about from players.
All of the economic stuff is âNew Edenâ, which, last I checked, includes all of highsec.
Except theyâre not violating the law. The only thing youâre âpurchasingâ is access. You are getting that access. And they are not withholding any crucial information about what youâre getting access to. They are telling you what the plan is, they were honest about âwe donât know how long it will takeâ, and now theyâve said that theyâre setting a target for Q4 of this year (which does not mean âby Q4â, it means âby the end of Q4â).
And youâre still accusing them of committing fraud in the future. Which isnât actionable now.
Nothing. Instead, Iâm saying that by agreeing to a license that says âyes, I, the customer, am the one who is responsible for making sure I am informedââa license that is publically viewable before you agree to itâyou are entering into a voluntary contract that says âI agree that anything I do not make sure Iâm informed about is not crucial information that could influence my purchaseâ.
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Thanks @Arrendis for pointing out these defamatory statements for me.
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How can you be well informed when CCP and the guys CCP sent to give customers information are sending mixed messages to the people that looked to them for information? How can you trust the information when the guys given it to you are being paid with plex and free game time by CCP? Up until yesterday I did not know CCP paid YouTube guys game time and monthly plex. Today you taught me that the CSM also get free game time and plex from CCP. The CSM are suppose to represent all of the customers but if CCP is paying them with plex and free game time, who are they representing, CCP or the customers?
The CSM should have never took the free game play and plex from CCP because that just looks bad.
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I resubbed due to scarcity.
If it ends can I sue?
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Wow.
I would suggest you do some further research on contract / tort, as well as - as Brisc mentions - defamation and/or libel before getting yourself worked up any further. What you have already posted are grounds for a lawsuit against you, should one feel particularly motivated, and doubling down any further is probably a bad idea until you have some solid legal advice.
As to your specific objections, I think youâve actually alluded to a key point in your posts - CCP Rattati did in fact state in the live streams that players unhappy with the scarcity changes should probably unsub for a year or so until it works through.
That you reference that in your above posts shows that you were aware of the significance of the changes, and CCPâs recommendation for those upset about them. Which, in effect, means your chances of a successful legal challenge are⌠well⌠it would be wrong to say âeven more bonedâ as once itâs all the way boned, thereâs no further boning to be done. But you get what Iâm saying, I hope.
Iâm not going to touch the libelous areas of your weird rant at this time, as that would be daft. But as to nullblocs and the reasons for the start of the war⌠You do realise that this is a game where people blow up spaceships for enjoyment, right? And that the largest groups in Eve hadnât had a proper âlets put all the toys on the tableâ kind of war for at least a couple of years now? So, is it possible - just possible - that these folks wanted to go blow up some spaceships? I mean, youâve got plenty of info showing that the industry changes and taxation changes introduced by CCP directly ended the war (if it wasnât already effectively ended by stalemate anyway), so how does this fit into your conspiracy?
YouTuberâs âsellingâ ore redistribution⌠Again, youâre not looking at the whole picture. Mineral distribution was a process started in December 2019 - almost a year before the Partnership Program was introduced. All but the industry change was in place before the Partnership Program was introduced. Now, you might have a point if you were saying that CCP brought in the PP (lol) to try and hold on to (or rebuild) goodwill from the community as a result of these changes. Youâd possibly be right (though I doubt it - the timelines are too tight, thatâs just not how large organisations like CCP work), but in any event, to attempt to draw a line of collusion due to a program that wasnât in place when these changes took place is farcical. And even if what you were saying WAS completely true (it isnât), CCP recruiting content creators to act as community champions and reinforcing positive messaging around the game isnât illegal.
tl;dr : angry man make bad points, may get sued, needs to chill.
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I dunno, I seem to have managed it. Scarcity being long-term, but still temporary, was something we knew before it happened. CCPâs partner program giving them perks? Yeah, we knew that, too, because CCP told us. I even linked where they told us. Same for the CSM. It is not CCPâs fault you were not paying attention.
The CSM represent players to CCP. CCPâs interest is not for the CSM to agree with them, but for the CSM to tell them when theyâre gonna do something amazingly stupid that will hurt the game. And the CSM has told them that, when appropriate. The CSM does not sell CCPâs decisions to the players. If youâre looking for a bunch of guys under NDA to tell you âOMG, CCP is totally gonna screw this upâ, then youâre looking for people to break contracts and expose themselves to legal consequences, which is just a stupid thing to expect.
Stop making assumptions and educate yourself on what the hell youâre dealing with. Itâs not CCPâs fault if you donât pay attention to the information they give out. Obviously, some of us did.