So stop crying on a forum, and file a complaint.
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You can lecture me about educating myself but 20 years later, one of CCP problems is educating their customers.
CCP isnāt the one accusing people of crimes.
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Whats people suppose to think? CCP does not have the best reputation and have been caught cheating for their friends inside of EVE before. So whats a person suppose to think when they find out for the first time that CCP pays the CSM (I just learned that from you) and their YouTube partners in plex and free game time?
The CSM was created because of the cheating CCP did for their friends (Meta Show taught me that). I thought the CSM was created so CCP could regain customer trust? So from my prospective it feel like CCP bought the CSM with plex and free game time.
So now I know that the CSM was created because of the wrongs of CCP past, I learned in the last election that CCP hand picks the people CCP will allow to run for CSM, and I just learned that CCP pays the CSM every month with plex and free game play.
To me that looks like a good ol boy system and it leaves to door wide open for people to make the right or wrong assumptions. Some people might assume that the CSM wont tell CCP when they are making a big mistake because they may be unwilling to bite the hand that is feeding them. Some people might think that CCP only fills the CSM with its friends. Some people might think that CCP is still cheating for its friends.
So whats a customer suppose to think?
A thinking customer might ask for citations for anything youve assumed and be able to make up their own minds, to be honest.
Do you actually believe you are the only enlightened person, and everyone else is so below your intelligence that they cant see the great secret you have become woken to?
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I quite frankly believe this to be the case.
I also see this mentality when hearing arguments from flat earthers.
Time to buy stock in tin foil.
Among other things, people are supposed to think that accusing other people of crimes without actual evidence is something they shouldnāt do. Wild speculation is not evidence. Your failure to actually read the resources CCP makes available does not mean CCP hasnāt informed you. It only means you didnāt bother to stay informed.
CSM members put in a lot of work for the betterment of the game. In their role as advocates for the players, they teleconference w/CCP every week, and the good ones, at least, are constantly working to stay informed about the playersā issues, then investigating those issues to see how widespread what theyāre hearing actually is, and giving CCP that feedback, as well as suggesting ways to improve on whatās going on.
I donāt know how many hours a week @Brisc_Rubal (for example) spends working for you, among others, but Iām pretty sure that if he were actually billing for that many hours, in a single month heād have more than enough to buy those 55000 PLEX, probably twice over.
I mean, FFS, 55000 PLEX is, as I said, 1 year for 10 characters. Thatās $1,314. The average hourly billable rate for lawyers in Washington, D.C. is around $275/hr. If we just look at the 10 hours Briscās teleconferencing w/CCP, and assume Brisc bills at the perfect average (and really, he doesnāt), thatās $2,750 right there.
For 2h/wk. And remember, that 55000 PLEX is still twice what CCP will comp the CSM.
How stupid would he have to be to jeopardize his career for what amounts to his billing rate for half an hour a week, at most?
Tell me, would you be stupid enough to throw away your career for less than $130 a week? Because thatās what youāre accusing people of doing.
That the CSM are slightly smarter than the rotting remains of a brain-damaged banana slug.
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This is the comedy gold that I come here for!
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Itās considerable, which is one of the reasons why I get slightly annoyed when people accuse us of crimes involving moral turpitude (like fraud), or - worse - being shills for CCP. I am not a shill for CCP. I tell them weekly how bad scarcity is and why they needed to be working to get rid of it yesterday, not supporting it or otherwise explaining it away. I mean, āEnd Scarcity Nowā was the #1 thing on my campaign platform, so Iām kind of scratching my head at how Iām part of some scheme to defraud anybody.
Even with a friends and family discount, the rate I bill for legal work is far more than value of the five accounts and a trip to Iceland (which I didnāt get last year and probably wonāt get this year). In the end, I do this because I like serving the community, not because Iām getting paid. Because, let me tell you, Iāve spent far more on running for the CSM and playing EVE over the years than I have ever made in the form of subs or trips.
I wish people would just give us the benefit of the doubt, but I guess itās easier for people who have already quit the game to just spin conspiracy theories than do that.
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Look at it this way, there is a fairly dim view of the CSM as a whole for a wide variety of reasons but they all boil down to the same thing: you are public figures who are trying to represent everyone in Eve to a company also widely perceived to be indifferent. This places you square in the middle, and as public figures you are second on the list when it comes to finger pointing.
Even if CCP did everything you asked for (by āyouā I mean the CSM in general) thereās always going to be someone who doesnāt want whatever happens, and they are often going to make a stink about it.
During the process of making that stink they are going to point right at you as often as possible because they can get at you more easily and directly than they can get at CCP.
Welcome to the spotlight, itās blinding isnāt it?
I feel like itās pointless to explain this to person that work in politics
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Oh, I donāt mind getting ā ā ā ā on for things Iāve done or advocated for. Itās the whole making things up from whole cloth I donāt get. I have a thick skin. but there are times I still have to scratch my head at the stuff folks come up with.
That is exactly what one of those satanic lizard people would say.
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Iām really amused by this, mostly because there is an ongoing story about you right now. At the moment you havenāt blinked for a really long time, like days. You shouldnāt be able to read right now, and your sleep cycle should be a complete mess.
According to you, you havenāt stopped staring at me as a result of me still thinking that the ISD should have their own thread for all the entertaining things they have had to delete. I still think this is a really fun idea but what is starting to occur to me is that this is how stories, rumors and outright lies happen. Eventually someone will start speculating about what youāve seen me do over the last few days and eventually itāll be months and then years. By then it could be wildly out of control.
On another subject entirely, and to gently fend off the ISD, Iām curious about something:
First a bit of background I suppose. I have been playing Eve long enough that perhaps one third, or maybe one half of the time Iāve been playing has been under scarcity. I donāt know exactly when it started so thatās kind of a guess. I tend to think of it starting when resists were dropped by 20% while damage was raised (I forget by how much for damage, but it was a sizeable amount).
This means that a lot of maybe even most of my time in Eve has been one nerf after another in many ways, and adding things like scarcity, the structure abandonment stuff and then the addition of quantum cores, major industry changes, and so on has been a bit brutal from my point of view. This also gives me a skewed way of looking at things I think.
So what Iām wondering is what impact has this had on Eve as a whole?
What impact has it had on new players trying to get started?
And what impact has it had on veterans?
And maybe add one more:
What would you guess the long term impacts are going to be?
Iām not after numbers, they would more or less go over my head as Iām not an economist,. What I would like to know, and not just from you, but all the members of the CSM is what are your subjective ideas about these things, like what are your opinions about the actual results?
It started to dawn on me that if this stuff is as bad as it sounds from all the upset people in this forum and places like Reddit, Iām doing pretty good having started off just as things were going to hell, but I canāt really form an objective opinion really as I donāt know Eve any other way.
Realizing this (and a number of other things) changed my attitude about all these changes from āmostly opposed and a bit pissed offā to āI donāt know what Iām talking about so I should shut up and listenā.
Edit:
I looked my self upā¦
I was born (or maybe encapsulated?) 2 years, 1 month, 1 week, and 6 days ago, but I donāt know when all this really started
I think there was a slow start to scarcity in mid 2019, when they changed the respawn mechanics on anomalies. It officially began in earnest with the resource redistribution that began in December 2019.
Nerfs are nerfs - theyāre an inevitable part of balancing. But the wholesale upending of the economy, how resources are generated, how wealth is created, from the resource generation and isk generation side, to how itās distributed (the DBS and ESS changes) and the what itās used to produce and buy (the industry changes) have all been part of what most of us vets consider scarcity.
The impact, as far as I can tell, is that newer players have a tougher time getting established and generating wealth compared to veterans. Veterans are more capable of adapting, and we also have significant stores of wealth that we can fall back on that were made when wealth generation was easy. The result is, as if often the case in these redistribution scenarios, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.
I knew from my first experience on the CSM that wealth generation back in 2018 at the height of the Rorqual era that what was happening was unsustainable, but I argued that a change in the demand side - create new things to build and buy, increase the amount of materials needed for example - would be the bset solution to the problem. Instead, they chose to hit both the supply and demand sides at the same time, I think that was a bad decision.
Weāre still in the middle of all this so we canāt say what the long term effects are going to be. Maybe Iām wrong - I hope I am - and this is all for the best.
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And they still have not fixed the Rorqual. It is going to be interesting to see if CCP continues on their āWe wonāt change our attitude towards player feedbackā and simply nerf the yield or tank or both of the Rorqual just a bit more. Or if they are actually going to turn the Rorqual back into the ship that it was originally intended to be and as such would have never broken the game balance as it did because CCP ignored original gamedesign principles in favor of quick bucks and unsustainable character (not player!) growth.
Q3 will tell because they need to fix that before they end scarcity so that they can see how people use the new Rorqual/Orca/Barges/Exhumers so that they can adjust the ore distribution accordingly. In that regard, it would be nice of CCP would float some of their ideas for broader discussion so that the players, who actually understand the game, can point out flaws before they make it to Sisi. Rattati lamented a while ago that heād love to come back to the forums and discuss plans. This would be the perfect opportunity. Will he use it? 
(But who am I leading on with that expectation? It will be a mess, just like with the industry changes. 
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Thank you for that, itās a lot to think about but itās a hell of a lot easier than trying to get my head around a bunch of charts and numbers. Not that I will stop trying to do that too, but Iām nowhere near the point where I can see a dip in a chart and understand why that came from a specific region or something.
Iām kind of thrilled that I signed up just as things got nasty, not because I want all the chaos thats been making people unhappy, but because I stuck with it. It makes me wonder, since Iām functional now, how much more so I will be when this ends.
When I was a kid I knew and old man from Boston who was a kid during the Great Depression and even at ninty years old he was so good at swiping things and so habituated to it that he would have to return things to stores constantly. The people in the stores thought he was adorable, and didnāt believe he had stolen the stuff he was returning and always tried to give him his money back. That was far from his only skill, he could do more things well than any other person I have ever met. All because he had to in order to survive when he was a kid.
When he died he gave each of his grandchildren enough to live on for the rest of their lives in monthly chunks, but with one condition, they had to be in school activity taking classes to get it.
I think thereās a possibility that there are a bunch of people who are close to my age in Eve who are going to have a wider range of abilities and knowledge than a lot of other players get in the same amount of time. I know that for me, each time what I was doing got nerfed, I tried to adapt by learning something new, in many cases it worked. I even tried things I didnāt want to do and can now sometimes help new people with them.
Just out of curiosity, why would they change the ships first and then change distribution of the stuff they collect?
Why not put the stuff back and then change the ships as needed? It somehow seems backwards to do it this way to me.
Is this a case of something like say Orcas being primarily used, after being changed, to collect nothing but veldspar untill thereās just far to much of it to be used?
Personally, I expect theyāll do both changes simultaneously, and then ātwist some knobsā to tweak them.
We need to sneak in and gain control of these knobs. Rattari has polished them enough to last us all a life time.