Im not here to give proof that is off topic this is just real and it happen eveywhere even in Nullblock not talking about damm bots
Also im too lazy point out where afk miners are xD
I just checked, those AFK orcas donât exist.
Also for reference since you decided to ignore the question.
Moon belts are 480k per day. A high sec Belt averages at roughly 1 Million per day.
And right now Veldespar is more valuable than any null ore except Spod.
So please tell me again about how moon belts are OP even with the null ores please. Let alone after the Null ores are removed.
True about ore but ( I did it ) when you are afk is to able to mine 5-10 hours came back from your jobs or anything else and have cash imput that you would have not made.
Ok, and? Itâs insignificant cash, there is no evidence that this is happening on any kind of scale, there are countermeasures in place already of several kinds both PvP & PvE, and Null ore is being removed.
So⌠Why are you obsessing over this when itâs already 90% solved and not shown to actually be any kind of scale problem anyway.
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oh and about Moon belt in general itâs a permanant infinite source of materials for both reaction and basic stuff that you can make appear when and where you want. It was just a matter of time before CCP made some hard change on it.
- You canât make it appear where you want, it has a fixed location.
- The when is heavily controlled also.
- Asteroid Belts are also permanent infinite sources of material.
Please please, actually sit down and think about what you are saying before you say it.
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So you are making a claim (which is, there are 50 AFK orcas per system, now limited to .5 systems) , without a proof.
Again, that is BS.
If you donât have proof, you donât have a point.
Now if your claim is that âthere are AFK orcasâ, then again you need to prove that people are actually AFK.
Because I KNOW of people who are mining in HS, with 3-4 accounts per person, and they are NOT REACTING at all to people in local, because the strategy is to not give those people anything. So just because they are not spilling salt in local, does not mean they are actually AFK.
Itâs not that insignificant i cannot gave any screenshot about it because well im not constantly recording my game but itâs money.
And about your last message
- yeah true but you mostly get it I hope
- minimal run is 2 week but entity dosent have only one athanor most of the time they cycle it to have atleast 3/4 per week with 4 week run or more
- Yes but they have way less volume than moon belt
No, no they donât.
I just posted the stats above. An Asteroid belt has an average of double the m3 a moon belt does when mined over the same time. (Note, thatâs according to the figures I have, highsec belts all vary so hard to tell 100% reliably). Sure, if you go 4 weeks work of moon production vs 1 day of asteroid belt they do. But over the same time the asteroid belt is bigger.
Most of people donât react in local. Why are you so defensive about that topic also i just said that afk mining exist the only guys that know Really what is happening and what impact it has in game is CCP but you can already use the montly economic report that give you atleast a hint.
I donât really update on this anymore but last time someone mine a belt with 5 account he manage to make 3 orca cargo
since 8 week moon belt some rock reach 300k m3 im not sure about regular belt being the same with moon one
You mean the MER that says the majority of the ore comes from Null? That MER?
Clearly if these AFK Orcas do exist they arenât breaking the economy due to how inefficient they are.
And they die now to Trigs
And they can be ganked
And they can be outmined.
And they can be bumped.
Again, why are you obsessing over this.
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They can yes but who gonna make that except corporation that want to have their belt not mine by other also having the efficiency of a procuror is not that inefficient itâs quite good actually. when the main purpose of the ship is being a Support
Obviouslt it didnt reach the other barge ( maybe the skiff ) but itâs still good.
The primary use of orca was in ice belt so you can avoid ganker.
Also from the economic report quite a lot are coming from empire space
After really rough calcul of the summary
Null space ~8.T mined
Empire Space (That means HS/LS) ~7.T
But it doesnât
It has the efficiency of an UNBOOSTED Procurer.
When you add Boosts itâs dramatically worse. And thatâs assuming an ACTIVE Orca.
An AFK Orca is so much worse in terms of efficiency itâs not funny.
Im just talking about raw stats not boosted unboosted whatever but yes of course boosted barge are better but their is no boost that boost your ore hold
If you play the game how is meant to be play your efficiency will far better than this.
I may be fool to think that but with all the corona breakout maybe those same orca switch to more efficient way now they have time for this, ITS A BIG MAYBE.
Because itâs one of the argument that people use as a proof that people are AFK.
Indeed. So claiming things out of nowhere is BS.
unrelated. The claim that they are a nuisance to the game is based on nothing but exaggerations.
{citation needed}
Yeah, you are just twisting the numbers the way it pleases you.
I never made such claim
I call this from experiance
No itâs just the regular way of comparison
And like I said this is not my job to do
Because im one Lazy ass
Maybe, but all the discussion on that topic originate from such a claim.
And your experience is not everybodyâs experience.
You should compare the actual usage, not the one for which you changed the numbers.
As soon as you are two accounts, itâs better to use an orca in HS, for logistics, and yield.