Of course you’re right. But not everyone starts a game to play it on web pages gathering info and intel and that’s where “EVE isn’t for everyone” comes into play. So, in the long run, a lack of players shouldn’t be surprising and changing the NPE wouldn’t do a bit of good for retention of the kinds of players who expect to play and not search.
Ah yes…and every Proc has slots for all of those doesn’t it.
Maybe don’t be greedy and use an alt for defense instead of mining if you can’t accept a few ganks as an operational cost.
I was thinking along the lines of getting a freighter ganked - anything smaller than that you’re either doing something wrong or it’s such low cost / incidence rate that it’s hardly impactful
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That’s not actually true. You are writing words, but you have no idea how to kill someone. You assume it is easy, but you are not trying to do it, and you are merely theorycrafting without practical experience.
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Eve Online has a reputation. A reputation that I find VERY hard to be ignorant of. This game is well documented on social media, in blogs, on Twitch, and on YouTube.
If a new or prospective player finds himself unaware of the dangers then that is honestly his fault. Hell even the old promotional trailers for Eve Online talk about getting blown up, having everyone you have taken from you, and then revenge.
If I want to be a dictor pilot it takes a simple google search. If I want to learn how to run abyssals, simple google search. If I want to learn how to gatecamp or evade a gate camp, google search. If I want to learn how to mom-max my PI colonies, once again… Google.
Because of the nature of the game there’s a certain amount of responsibility that players ought to have. Can’t complain if you didn’t do your part to try.
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One of the reasons I started ganking, as a new player, was because I did a Google search for “How to make isk in EvE Online.” I very quickly found myself watching a video tutorial on how to maximize your AFK isk/hr.
This disgusted me, and I decided to kill the bot aspirants. Contrary to antigunker propaganda, I wasn’t griefing new players - I was outplaying decade old vets.
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To be fair, Eve is actually relatively poorly documented relative to many other games - there’s a whole lot of knowledge on higher-end stuff that’s not easily available because people don’t want to disclose their competitive advantage. Anything on that scale though isn’t really relevant to a newbro (except through explaining what certain playstyles they aspire to might entail).
The core argument is still correct though - successful eve players are people who are willing to learn - either through reading online or talking to experienced people
Of course it is. It is blatantly obviously true…despite your attempts to bamboozle with with how ‘difficult’ it is. There is no way that one person with 5 ships, one of which is even specifically being used to avoid Concord response, can fail to have the advantage. One could even add that the solo ganker would not even be doing it were that not the case.
I’m sorry but this is blatantly false. Sure there may not be some collection of experience or knowledge packaged up like the community in Total War has done for their game but honestly man… this game almost 20 years old. Core mechanics have hardly changed. The nature of the game hasn’t changed.
There’s a wealth of information on blogs, on the old forums, on YouTube / twitch, and even here and Eve uni wiki. You just gotta look for what you want.
Lack of knowledge and documentation is NOT this games problem. Any logical person can deduct that PCU troubles started around dumbing this game down. Go ahead and use google and plot a timeline of Eve online gameplay nerfs, removals, and changes and place it on top of a PCU timeline.
I agree completely. I myself do like to search online when I’m interested in a game. I read and watch videos while the game is downloading and when I saw how in-depth this game is, I knew I’d be playing it with my browser open.
lol, complaining is useless anyway.
I think the complainers may be players who haven’t had much time playing mmo’s and players who are used to single-player games.
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Your lack of experience causes you to be ignorant. Unfortunately, your bad attitude amplifies your ignorance, as you refuse to listen to others or try new things for yourself. That’s mostly a you problem, and I have no need to teach you anything.
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A blockade runner pilot that knows what they’re doing is going to run rings around gankers and gatecampers with minimal effort required.
Hell, I’m very comfortable to fly my Widow around highsec (even while suspect) because it’s not hard to evade these types.
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Oh gawd…this is just so much nonsense. It’s the James315 pure myth of every single miner sitting there raking in trillions AFK. The reality I’ve seen with my own eyes as a miner is that very few miners are AFK. But…the ‘justification’ myth has to be kept going I suppose.
I’m not surprised Eve noobs struggle when there is just so much sheer BS spouted by the self-proclaimed experts.
Speak for yourself - I always wanted to use black-ops battleships from when I started the game. I scoured the web for information on that playstyle and now I’m actually doing it for real it’s clear there’s plenty of information and understanding required for it that’s not publicly available. You need to learn it through a combination of your own theorycrafting, trial and error and speaking to those who have come before you in the discipline.
The same goes for other areas in PVP and PVE
As a self-proclaimed new player, how would you even know who James 315 is?
A guy who quit playing EvE years ago, but he sure triggers you!
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No…I’ve watched hundreds of videos including many by Safety and by solo gankers who describe exactly what they do. I’m one of those who has read and watched all the stuff on the net.
I’ve even read all the original stuff from James315…and his amazing psychic powers he used to determine people were ‘AFK’. I doubt he actually spent any real time mining…he just jumped to conclusions. So your entire CODE doctrine originates from some inexperienced messiah.
Can you think of the most notorious players that specialize in BLOPS? I think of Gulnsr, masL, Flightleader, and Honorable Third Party.
Like I said it may not be packaged into a cute website that’s all neat and tidy but if you want to fly a Sin and solo drop ratters it’s as simple as looking up Sin kills on Zkillboard and messaging those that are doing what you are interested in. I don’t think this is an outlandish concept in an MMO.
I think you’re just trying to say that it’s not perfect or easily organized, and with that I would agree.
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I haven’t even watched that many videos.
You must know more about ganking than I do!
Haha, I haven’t even read it all, and I wrote most of it!
He’s one of the first people that came up when I looked up ganking in Eve. Your pukeworthy homage to him was one of the first things I ever saw. He cites a single instance of a miner not responding when ‘bumped’ as somehow proof that all miners are AFK. It’s clear he never spent any real time in asteroid belts…anyone who has done will clearly observe that most miners are not AFK.
What evidence do you have that they are not AFK?