So now it’s not a gamble for you when you often (but not always) get something of value in return, right?
And you only think of it as a gamble when you lose more than you win. Is this correct?
I choose to gamble with mutaplasmids. Do I gamble or not?
If random spawn of loot is gamble why random module mutating is not?
I’m saying you are free to see it as a gamble if you want to. Just don’t expect everyone else to take on your viewpoint.
Am I then gambling real money here? No.
Am I gambling with ISKs? No.
What am I doing? I’m transforming a module with a mutaplasmid.
What’s so hard about that?
Lets say that IRL there was liquid you could immerse a smart phone into that would increase vs decrease its performance.
Lets say you bought 100 smart phones and 100 units of this liquid, and then proceeded to dunk each 1 phone into 1 liquid unit.
Would you consider that gambling, colloquially and/or legally?
Well he cited Wikipedia which is certainly more controlled and publically edited than your personal opinion. I do accept that “gamble” is used in many ways that don’t specifically describe “gambling”, I’ve already said that. You are the one who tried to derail this topic by introducing turret mechanics as “a gamble” and I was kind enough to not tell you to go back to school.
Speak for yourself. Your cheap attempts to suddenly identify as “us” is noted but loses you one point of respect.
If this is your definition, than going to bed is gambling too. Maybe a giant lizard will eat you while you sleep. You can never know.
This is maybe true for you, but not a good base for discussion. We are talking about gambling here and how the specific mechanics of Mutaplasmids support gambling-addictive behaviour.
Ah Salvos, can’t you wait outside until someone explains the things to you, so you can fanboy instead of first revealing how shallow your thoughts are?
What you said is basically: Play the slot machine is not gambling. Its simply taking a coin, putting it in and receiving some or none.
Yeah, right.
The legality of it is one part, the possible problem for people the other.
Legally speaking one could probably find a way to argue that it constitutes gambling, simply because there is a direct link between real money and buying the lottery ticket in form of Mutaplasmid. The fact that the outcome as in win or loss can’t be transformed back into real money is of little legal interest, as long as it holds some value, which in case of the game is undeniable.
Legally speaking is doesn’t matter a tiny bit that you could acquire the lottery ticket with in-game labor instead of real life money.
Slot machine are gambling, because you insert money and either get back that money and/or more, or lose it.
Mutating a module outputs a module, always.
The only “gamble” is in whether you can sell it for profit, but that is a separate secondary act from the primary act of mutating it.
Do you consider taking boosters to be legally gambling?
Your example is wrong.
A liquid holds physical and chemical properties and as such there is no “game of chance” involved. So it’s not only not gambling (legally), but also not a gamble (colloq) because it’s just not going to exist in reality.
Mutaplasmid transformations are RNG-based and thus a “game of chance”. The outcome is either loss or gain of value. And you can buy them for real money. And you can play it again and again and again. Gambling.
I see I wasnt clear enough.
The liquid has a quantitevely determined chance to result in X/Y qualitative change. (As do mutaplasmids ingame, as the obvious parallel in the example).
I thought that was implicit and obvious.
Would you like a diagram to help you understand?
You cant legally buy mutaplasmids for real money, as that constitutes RMT.
CCP is as of this moment not selling mutaplasmids for cash.
it’s not a matter of my opinion or yours, we have very simple definition of what gambling is, that fall under okham rule very well. If we add our opinion how definition of gambling should be then whole discussion is pointless because we don’t have starting point of it (definition of gambling).
yes you can, PLEX. RL money may be invloved.
yes you are, all item has value in ISK (most of them).
by that wiki definition I quote? Gambling thus requires three elements be present: consideration, chance and prize. You are gambling for result.
It’s not random enough and controllable by whoever puts the devices into the liquid. The entire joke about gambling is that you can’t control the process (as a player).
As I told you is it not a gamble, because what you do is to buy a module and a strange, unknown substance. You then take it into a lab and perform an experiment on it, a transformation, which changes the module.
There is no casino and you can do it with any module. The mutaplasmid can then be found in the Abyss or you can buy it of someone else who risked their life to get it for you. Of course you compensate the person for taking the risk.
There is no gamble here.
Yet, you are certainly free to see it as one. It isn’t a matter of opinion, but a lack of imagination that you have.
Well, if you think mutaplasmid mutation constitutes illegal gambling and contravenes the legal rules of a jurisdiction somewhere, go ahead and submit a police/civil case against it there.
But be careful, afaik publically threatening CCP with legal action on their own platforms is violation of TOS/EULA.
I could. I can buy PLEX with my credit card. There is an established and well layed-out way to transform PLEX into in-game currency. It’s the entire business concept of selling PLEX. One might try to argue the corner cases, but since its core use is so clear, the direct line between real money and in-game money is established. PLEX is just a transit currency. In turn you can very well buy Mutaplasmids with real money and it doesn’t matter that the supply is limited by players offering them as this is just to keep the in-game balance and doesn’t change the fact that you can buy them with real money.
Look, if you have to buy a cow with money, exchange that for a pig in order to buy yourself some vodka, the mammals are just steps in between that don’t change the fact.
Correct, they offer you to buy PLEX that have the majority purpose of being transformed into the kind of money that allows you to buy Mutaplasmids. It doesn’t matter if CCP offers them on the market or not, they facilitate the process and they create the gambling machine.
No, you cant.
CCP does not currently offer Mutaplasmids for cash.
If you do buy Mutaplasmids for cash from somewhere else, you have committed an infraction of TOS/EULA and IP laws as RMT.
Yeah no. Who wants such crap to happen? I don’t. It amazes me how you can even think in such a direction. Gotten the american sue fever over there in finland?
You can buy in-game money from CCP by buying PLEX. It’s as easy as that.
Your entire premise is based on the idea that Mutaplasmid mutations constitute illegal gambling.
It doesnt, for reasons explained to you above.
If you think it is illegal, then submit a police/civil case to authorities of the appropriate jurisdiction.
My premise is that Mutaplasmids provide gambling in EVE Online and while I have no reason and no interest to discuss this outside of these Forums, I do have an interest in stopping to enable gambling. It’s not healthy.