My contribution to the "Highsec Lobby" initiative

Yeah, that certainly counts towards taking this game too seriously.

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Let’s be clear, because I did not even bother to reply to the ■■■■■■■■ he said there, that the issue here is not even whether I care about my reputation or not, or how hypocritical he is about that and so many other things.

He was actually trying to divert the attention from the real issue, namely the fact that he does care about my reputation enough to try to discredit it with outright lies, regardless of whether or how much I care about my own reputation myself…

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I sympathize with you @Knowledgeminer. Nothing is more frustrating than eagerly trying to educate or help other players be BETTER players and then in turn to be cast aside as some kind of elitist.

Whoring on CONCORD killmails has very little value in my opinion, especially after they’ve successfully ganked the target. It’s honorable that you attempt to teach others how to try to outplay gankers and to do what you enjoy, but your average player doesn’t want to know these things because they are content being brain dead.

The only formidable opponent I’ve ever found in one of these “AG” types was back when they could pop wrecks with a cheap thrasher, and my opposition ended up turning to ganking, out of the same frustrations with / at AG that you’ve been experiencing.

I say what better way to show them how dumb and bad they are at the game than to continue what you’ve been up to lately with Ganking.

+1 keep on keepin on.

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That does not make any sense, but the forum is part of the game is it not? The issue here is that his reputation on the forum is really important to him just like it was to Dom Arkaral, and he feels just like that player anger and hate towards anyone who impinges on him. Whereas I just see this as part of the game and feel no anger or hate, just amusement. I see no reason to troll people, but just to make points to balance the game correctly and to detail my opinions on the game without rancour.

The amount of hate I get is the issue here and this player feels real anger towards me because I impinged on his reputation. That is the issue, and trying to turn it around on me is typical of the gankers and ganker fan boys.

I sent the details to another player and he confirmed it was odd.

This is a game of alts, I would be amiss in such a game to not try to work out who the player was who did so much damage to the AG channel and dry up new recruits. This is part of the game, but of course you are going off with your hate because you often follow me around too, you just popped in here to have a go didn’t you?

Rather like the amount of security Goons and other alliances put into their systems? Seriously mate, you should go speak to them too.

You are off again with the anger, I think you were seriously bad for new recruits and I am so happy to see you out of the AG chat channel. I have long suspected that you are an alt of a ganker, now I could be wrong, but if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck then it is a duck, you quack a lot. And now you are ganking with CODE.

He thinks he is elite, he can hunt very well, but he did a lot more damage to AG.

Another error, bounties are useful, why are gankers trying to hoover them up themselves?

And look how quickly that got removed when more AG started doing it. But this is the key weak spot in ganking and the one that gets their anger going, AE, Kusion and many others have complained about people taking their loot and asking for buffs and nerfs to favour their play.

He is going back to what he is, a ganker.

He can keep doing what he does, no skin off my nose. But most important to me, he is not able to damage AG recruitment any more as Knowledgeminer. :trophy: I will take that as a win.

Even more, it is allowed by Code (if I am not mistaken) and is not considered anti-ganking.

Sure you can get a minuscule payout from bounties I guess. When you compare collecting gankers bounties to other activities available to even Alpha clone characters, I would consider it to be a joke.

I have no issue with anyone trying to play the hero in the game, because it’s a sandbox after all… but bounty collection isn’t some carrot on a stick to entice people to shoot at gankers that are going to lose their ships to concord anyway.

I wasn’t even replying to you yet here you are again crying about words. Grow up.

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That’s a bit flawed logic. Gankers try to get them themselves, because it is a nice side-activity which does not disrupt the gank in meaningful matter. On the other side, hunting gankers is not a side-activity.

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TBH the anti-gankers should feel bad about trying to claim bounties on gankers. Someone put that bounty on them as an incentive to kill the ganker, and now the anti-ganker wants to claim it on a loss that was already guaranteed to happen? The only victim here is the poor person who placed the bounty and doesn’t get their reward.

(Now, to be clear, it’s 100% ok to take advantage of the opportunity to get ISK, if ISK is your goal. But it does kind of destroy the smug “we’re morally better than you” image anti-gankers want to present when you see them selfishly exploiting the situation for their own benefit.)

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Here is the thing, if a new player comes into the game he can have a laugh with it, even though it is meaningless, he gets a taste of combat and he gets ISK. This is the issue with elitism as shown by you and Knowledgeminer in that you think based on being an old player. It is a stick for new players.

The objective is to take that new player and turn him into an efficient anti-ganker, but they have to have fun with it and that fun has to out-weigh the frustrations they will find when so many mechanics appear to be in the favour of gankers.

But they do, how many times do you see sneering White Knight comments, come on?

Successful AG is removing a ship at the right time or making them not want to gank. Shooting them and getting a kill mail is often just to get some green when most of the time successful AG work gives nothing at all in terms of game stats, rather like being a logi pilot in major battles, you know what you did, but no one else does. And there I was thinking you used your brain and was a thoughtful player.

Following me around again, you offered a statement about me and my game play that showed how dumb you were, and how keen you were to have a dig. So talking about this, it is like being too scared to do war decs because you are worried about losing a structure. See I am trolling you on how bad you are. Enjoy loser :stuck_out_tongue:

If that’s what you cared about you’d take the newbies out of highsec and show them real combat, not killboard stat whoring with CONCORD doing all of the real work.

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And say the same to gankers too while you are at it.

Why? I don’t see them claiming to be training newbies, nor do I see them claiming that padding your killboard stats while CONCORD does all of the work is “showing them combat”. At least the gankers are doing their own work and generating kills, and teaching a newbie how to gank gives them a useful tool.

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It’s not elitism at all man. I could point a brand new player in so many different ways to get combat experience, make decent Isk, and have fun… it is after all exactly how I got my start as a new player.

I can assume that the luster of blowing up a ship that is already 100% dead to concord doesn’t last too long. Not unless the gankers throw out some salt for you to enjoy. They could be doing almost anything else and get better and more efficient experience.

Not to mention that mechanically, the company kept in AG isn’t too bright nor would I recommend hardly anyone in there to teach a new player how to survive and play in this sandbox without having some ■■■■■■ up sissy opinion about how highsec should be safe and how people that blowup others and steal from others are sociopaths.

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You are blind them, as I see them trying to entice players into ganking and why not, it can be fun. You are blinded by your hatred mate.

So when a ganker is smartboming his own gankers to suck up bounties and get more green on his killboard is it not the same?

If you got your head out of your rear end you might learn something?

Still waiting for you to actually link to where I said that…another Drac lie…so, so many…

Cry more about words…still waiting for you to come get me BTW…guess your threats are just as meaningless as your posts. Enjoy loser :rofl:

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But they are different player types than you.

Well there are other factors like CONCORD racing, get most of the damage on it, even beat CONCORD which is tough to do. It is a reward as I say for stopping ganks that other people do not see. And it annoys the hell out of gankers who sneer at it and call it CONCORD whoring because they are so up themselves.

You are off into the hate here, most AG I know see them as game opponents. You are being as knarked as Knowledgeminer here, pity.

I think you are a hero for shooting ships that would have died anyway to collect the bounty Drac. So there I said it. Happy now?

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Lookey here, a veiled white knight comment.

It is like icing on a cake.

I don’t see the gankers displaying the same smug superiority over their actions. Nor do I see them trying to claim that padding their killboard stats like that is real combat, or that teaching a newbie how to get on lots of killmails is giving them a valuable skill.

Well there are other factors like CONCORD racing, get most of the damage on it, even beat CONCORD which is tough to do. It is a reward as I say for stopping ganks that other people do not see. And it annoys the hell out of gankers who sneer at it and call it CONCORD whoring because they are so up themselves.

So, a bunch of self-congratulatory nonsense you’ve invented to make yourself feel better? Who cares if you did more damage than CONCORD if the ganker still killed their target? You still failed, giving yourself a participation trophy isn’t helping anyone.

And at least you’re honest enough to admit to being proud about how annoying you are even when you aren’t accomplishing anything of practical value. Sums up the whole anti-ganking thing nicely.

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