Nerf Ganking Megathread

[Lucas_Kell]

@Wadiest_Yong

So what you’re saying is that a sandbox should have glass walls, where you can safely and effortlessly pretend that no other people are in the same box.

It already has these walls, but it’s massive veterans that are protected by them. What I want is for a small, creepy group of veterans to stop being able to use new players as fodder to pump their egos.

@Wadiest_Yong

What you’re also saying is that knowledge is not the number one priority when starting this (or any other) game. Which is weird…

Most other games it’s not. Most other MMOs guide you through a learning curve in relative safety and don’t allow veteran players to abuse new players.

@Wadiest_Yong

I see your radical standpoint against ganking in hisec, which is problematic

Only because it opposes your viewpoint. Any view you don’t agree with is problematic to you.

@Wadiest_Yong

You want the “no absolute safety” aspect to be limited to losses from npc’s, because losses from players are what ?

As I’ve already stated, they are overwhelmingly weighted against new players.

@Wadiest_Yong

That’s all part of the competitive environment, an environment that has been blunted already enough in hisec.

It’s not competitive. Nothing about ganking is competitive. It’s you wanting easy kills so you can sit around pretending you’re not ■■■■ at the game. Ganking takes less effort and skill than highsec mining. It’s the most carebear form of play and it escapes balancing because it’s “emergent”.

@Wadiest_Yong

If they stay in their areas, and do newbie things, they are safe.

And highsec should be that area. Simples.

@Wadiest_Yong

Learning that EvE is a pvp centered game should be at the forefront, not an afterthought.

Ganking isn’t PvP in the same sense as any other PvP in the game. It teaches players nothing other than there are veterans with nothing better to do with their time than abuse new players.

I note that you didn’t explain how a killboard system that thinks there’s no such thing as a solo gank is accurate.

@Io_Koval

When I lose a ship, I usually gain the knowledge and qualia from the experience.

Good for you.

@Io_Koval

Just because “Total Net Worth” stat decreases, does not mean “significant step back in progress”.

Sure, if you’re an already established player. If you a rookie that has spent a month building up SP and ISK in an inefficent rookie-like fashion then on your first rocks some asshat blows up yourr ships and lobs abuse at you in a a mail, you’re unlikely to stick around.

Sometimes I think people like yourself forget that normal people aren’t inherently bound to EVE, and if they aren’t deriving enjoyment from it - such as when they have to repeat a long portion of the beginning of the game - they simply won’t play. Every single time gankers talk about new players as if the only thing they want to do in life is play EVE.

Ultimately this is a pointless discussion though. CCP won’t ever balance or remove ganking, the same handful of incels will continue to abuse new players and CCP will continuously scratch their heads and wonder why they can’t retain a playerbase. This will repeat until PA pulls the plug, which looking at the financial outlook of the EVE IP probably won’t be too far off.