The only thing close is fw pvp, anti-ganking pvp, and WAR DECS! Something’s missing.
You speak with forked tongue again…as I cannot see that being zapped by an NPC in some asteroid belt is any different to being ‘griefed’, as you put it, by gankers. What strange double standards make the ganking ‘griefing’ but you are just fine with NPC pirates zapping the same miner ?
It’s yet another example of how your carebear policy is all over the place and is often self-contradictory.
Of course he doesn’t. But since he’s a forum troll what he will do is present the same trite nonsense in a new, bright, shiny wrapper, and hope with baited breath that someone unwraps it to reveal the steaming pile of dog ■■■■, and then giggle with glee.
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That was also a point he ignored regarding that the NPCs cheat
Cilly admitted being wrong, and did a complete U-turn on the issue…and is now one of the most avid supporters of ganking. I’m not holding out much hope of JJ seing the light as well.
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I have pointedly spent IDK how many posts firmly but cordially outlining why you should post with your main, and why your continued participation on the topic as-is is detrimental for the community.
The fact that – here we are at how many posts later – and you’ve deliberately not engaged with my reasons for doing so (mirroring your not-engagement on the actual topic), and I have suffered personal insults (from Sine) and condescension (from you).
And you have still not posted with your main should be a giant red flag for the community about your intentions for participating in these discussions. The repeated, prolific attempts at controlling the conversation via sheer quantity of replies also arouses suspicion.
It smells of psychological manipulation.
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And that’s the Million Doller question.
I don’t want to see ganking nerfed and jj hasn’t come up with any new ideas that have not already been said if only he read the whole thd.
That still leaves what to do to give the pvp’ers more content? I never tried FW so I can’t comment on it. But from what I read, it doesn’t seem worth it.
AG is already taken! 
The war dec sys… You all might hate Goons but I have a healthy respect for them. (grid foo 
) And even they can’t come up with a sys that can’t be abused. But that’s my windmill, to see the war dec sys “fixed”. Good luck to that…
He’ll eventually go away all of his own accord. Trolls always do. He’s pushing water up hill and that eventually becomes too boring and frustrating even for trolls to maintain.
There’s been many before. There’ll be many after. Same ■■■■, different day, but always the same outcome.
Thanks for the question MB, and I will keep it a brief overview, so it isn’t a book. But how I would like to see it.
With the feedback of not removing someone’s gameplay and making a more balanced ganking community, this is what I want to see. They will be lofty, but thinking end game here.
CCP makes it where gankers can join one of the pirate factions and be real pirates. Joining their corp gives you +10 standing with them. You can dock in Pirate NPC stations (more NPC stations will need to be added) in Null sec, and their systems always has several wh that go directly to high sec randomly. It will be Null life here; they can’t dock in Empire NPC stations in high sec, but player station they could, so as an example, Jita 4-4 is off limits, but Primenter TTT is okay. The Pirate HQ have several systems they own, so setting up mining and industry would be pretty easy for them.
When gankers come into the system like a pirate, they are red or yellow, anti-gankers can kill them for LP. The gankers can come into the system and move around if needed, gates still work for them, perform their gank, and normal drops they would get normally. To make isk they would need to bring goods back from Null or rat in null, and other things. They don’t have to defend their space, as there are NPC stations there. But if they put up player structures, they would have to defend from Null block groups.
It would be the true pirate life. Some docking, gating, and other things would need to change for them to be red or yellow. Concord gates don’t shoot at them unless they engage a pilot. They no longer have standing in Empire, they are just pirates. It fits well into the game, and Lore, maybe doesn’t need to gank anymore; you are just a pirate. If having the corp is important, then you could make the pirate faction the alliance, and corps fall under that.
There could be a lot more built around this but should get us started. And before it even starts I know it would be a lot of dev hours, but again simply looking at what it could be. Open to other ideas though.
JJ
Ax,
If gankers with -10 were always flashy yellow in high sec, and could be killed for LP do you think that would be a reasonable balance?
JJ
To funny you are really worried about the NPC cheat. Why does it matter so much to you I truly don’t know?
JJ
People don’t have to be friends to gain respect. I respect those such as Aiko and Ax’l Thorne and Shipwreck Jones because they know vastly more about the game than I do. Such people are invaluable sources for learning…if you’re not so busy arguing that what they say goes right over your head.
I actually like the idea from a lore perspective. Unfortunately, there’s not enough lore in game to warrant that much effort.
K.I.S.S. I would go as far as to turn -2 standings yellow. -5 to red. Makes them pay for dogtags if I remember correctly to up standings again.
Edit; -5 yellow, -10 red?
Wow and what red flags? You think I made this much effort to be a troll? And what have I trolled anyone on? If anything I am being trolled, with the deflection of a discussion here.
What do you think about Pulse Activated Nexus Invulnerability Core for industrial subcaps, but not 5 minutes… but 5 sec or 4 seconds or 6 seconds whatever the sweet spot is?
JJ
Fair enough, it is how you write it, it makes it come off that way. But can see it from your standpoint and respect that.
JJ
The problem with that is that while some are full time members of ganker groups, a large number are not. There isn’t any official ‘ganker’ title in Eve. Ganking is something people do…not some official title or role.
There are loads of solo gankers in the game, and there are loads of part time gankers, or even just people who try out ganking as a one-off thing. I am already in a corp…but there’s nothing stopping me from going and ganking some miner. Under your silly plan I’d have to go join some pirate corp to do so…and then switch back.
No…its a silly plan and will not work.
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Very much a end game deal and it would take some work no doubt about it. I think it would be a real part of the game where people could actually join the pirates and be dangerous. Might even help this community grow. With access to better materials maybe even graduate beyond a destroyer.
I mention this a few times before, and anti-ganker get LP for killing anyone below -5, giving their gameplay a way to make isk as today they make nothing. I think a suitable start. We might have to look at dog tag consumption on a weekly or monthly limit, but I think something manageable. I am not real sure how you would prevent the gaming the other way killing your own alt with a bad standing over and over; maybe repeat kills of the same player within XX time has a limiting LP to zero.
JJ
Good luck getting AG to have any impact. Abuse of the sys is always something to be considered.
And I hardly think most gankers do it for profit.
The problem with JJ’s plan is that it seeks to define some official role as ‘ganker’. And thus force all people with that role into a pirate corp. But ganking is more an activity than a specific role. It may be all that Aiko ever does, but I doubt that is the case for all who gank. JJ’s plan would force anyone who wants to gank, at all, out of whatever corp they were already in…and into some ‘pirate corp’.
Thus the silly plan would force people to ‘either’ be official gankers, or not gank at all. This all smacks of gankers having to almost be ‘state registered’. It’s a badly thought out ( if any thinking was ever done at all ) plan.
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I get that and it would have had to be in game from its inception. But not at this point. Still, shame there isn’t more lore. But then everyone vs everyone was never big on lore. 
RuB 3 rocks together and you have a warp drive! 