Nerf Ganking Megathread

[Jesse_W_James]

@MB_ThePhotographer

I think your just a troll. Please do continue to turn oxygen into greenhouse gas.

Expected more from you MB, but you are simply what is wrong with the game.

JJ

[MB_ThePhotographer]

Yes… Yes… It’s all my fault. I also like to club seals and poke blind men in the eyes so they might see better.

Keep regurgitating the same tried troll.

[Altara_Zemara]

@Aiko_Danuja

CONCORD should be removed from the game.

Maybe not permanently, but it would be fun if the Concord comms system broke down maybe (randomly ) for half an hour every week or something, with resultant carnage across all space.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

That would just make miners dock up for the duration. Now if you add an incentive like better mining yield/no waste (?) could make it worth it. Add it like high sec weather. A solar flare knocks out concord comms…

[Jesse_W_James]

@Ramona_McCandless

Nope, good or bad are objective. It is objectively good for the game for there to be human opponents with which to match wits otherwise the game is boring, which is objectively bad.

I don’t think you mean nope, I mean I said it is subjective. For the human opponents, that is what we are lacking, and trying to fill the gap.

@Ramona_McCandless

No, it isnt and you have so far failed to prove such. I have already proved that not only is it balanced, but if it is unbalanced, it is in the favour of the gankee, not the ganker. Of the 4 possible outcomes, only one is of benefit to the ganker and a total of two are considered a loss by the gankee.

The unbalance is no counterplay to take out the ganker. The timeline is too small, and there are no opportunities for that human intervention. I have suggested ways we could change this, and create an anti-ganking community, something that has rewards.

Do you think the counterplay for ganking is balanced, could you get on board with more human interaction?

@Ramona_McCandless

Yes, you are missing it. Market regulation and the important role ganking plays in keeping freight handling prices high, and the market healthy.

I always love the ganker community when they make claims they somehow prop up an economy that is almost 1,500 trillion isk. I can’t say it does nothing, but to say it is some phenomenal to be reckoned with, is a far stretch wouldn’t you think?

JJ

[Jesse_W_James]

@Aiko_Danuja

CONCORD should be removed from the game.

I think we can make some adjustments to CONCORD. I like the scenario where gankers are pirates, and you have to jump through a WH to high sec, or if there was a permanently flashy status if it is by security level, or if it is part of the pirate faction and standings don’t matter anymore.

I think some adjustments for slower responses and the like to make a scenario like that balance where gankers have an opportunity to be a pirate without being mobbed by CONCORD.

Good thought keep them coming feel like we are making progress here.

JJ

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Jesse_W_James

I think

I’m not interested in your opinions.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Jesse_W_James

I mean I said it is subjective

I know thats what you said, and nope, it isnt subjective.

@Jesse_W_James

The unbalance is no counterplay to take out the ganker.

The ganker is taken out in one result that is favourable and two that arent of the four possible results. The unbalance, if any, is against the ganker, and for the gankee.

@Jesse_W_James

the ganker community

I dont know why you said this as Im not part of that community. Im part of hauling community and I know what prices are like when ganking is thought to be heavy.

[Jesse_W_James]

@Altara_Zemara

Because most people grasp that you are not resolving a problem…you are manufacturing one. You want people to ‘discuss things’…but the said things consist of nothing more than how you personally ‘feel’.

Thanks for your input Altara, it is always a pleasure getting your insight and feedback.

@Altara_Zemara

Ganking has existed in Eve for years. It’s not something that has just suddenly arisen. It has on numerous occasions, including at the recent Fanfest, been quite clearly stated by CCP to be an integral part of Eve. It is thus not something that needs ‘solving’…it is part of the game !

I agreed that ganking can be content. But now how do we balance it? Or are you still under the impression things in games don’t need to be balanced. Games always need balanced, don’t be so surprised about this, it happens all the time.

@Altara_Zemara

You set yourself up as speaking for noobs, but as a recent noob myself you sure as hell don’t speak for me.

So strong Altara so strong you go.

@Altara_Zemara

And every single other person here was once a noob, and I’m quite sure most of them got ganked at some point…and they are all still in the game and thriving.

Thank you great input here.

@Altara_Zemara

Eve is about surviving…and if people simply can’t cope with that, well there’s no end of other games they can play rather than try to ruin it for those who do enjoy the difficult survival environment of Eve.

Survival game got it in my notes Altara, thank you for that. Second note, if they don’t like how it is go play somewhere else and wrote that note down as well. Thank you again for this.

@Altara_Zemara

There are already protections in place for noobs…which I notice you totally fail to mention. There are also all manner of ways and means a noob can avoid being ganked…I myself provided a list in a post here…yet you just ignore that too.

Altara guide to eliminating ganking. I will try and get a YouTube video up of it if you don’t mind.

@Altara_Zemara

In the end, you have simply bored people to death. You want to ‘discuss things’ that have been discussed and thrashed over a billion times with the overwhelming forum majority opinion always being that there isn’t a major problem. It’s not at all hard to see why most people have simply lost interest.

The one guy in here that isn’t in the ganker community needs to leave. Okay noted, yeah we need to shut the voice up quickly. Thank you again for great input here.

You are great Altara really appreciate it.

JJ

[Altara_Zemara]

@MB_ThePhotographer

That would just make miners dock up for the duration. Now if you add an incentive like better mining yield/no waste (?) could make it worth it. Add it like high sec weather. A solar flare knocks out concord comms…

Yes…I’d add some form of incentive and bonus for going out while the comms are down. Maybe double the mining yield. But bear in mind also that whilst gankers could have a field day for the duration, anyone wishing to attack gankers ( or indeed anyone else ) would also be free to do so…so in fact it might even be the gankers who stay locked up in the stations. Would be a fascinating experiment…with no guarantee that carnage would actually result.

[Jesse_W_James]

@Aiko_Danuja

I’m not interested in your opinions.

Great feed back Aiko, doing a great job on the forum by the way, really a lot of great input from you. Keep doing great things here.

JJ

[Jesse_W_James]

@Ramona_McCandless

I know thats what you said, and nope, it isnt subjective.

So you don’t think people have different views? Two people can look at the same thing and describe it differently.

@Ramona_McCandless

The ganker is taken out in one result that is favourable and two that arent of the four possible results. The unbalance, if any, is against the ganker, and for the gankee.

No that isn’t counterplay that is in the plan. I am talking about real counterplay. And what is against the ganker in the deal? Failing to get this point and might be important please do share.

@Ramona_McCandless

I dont know why you said this as Im not part of that community. Im part of hauling community and I know what prices are like when ganking is thought to be heavy.

Okay hauling community mistake no issue, but the comment is still accurate, it isn’t that ganker don’t make an impact but they are very far from touching the Eve economy, like decimal points in percent. So to imply they are the saving grace of everyone making isk is a stretch and maybe you didn’t mean to that extreme.

JJ

[Jesse_W_James]

@Altara_Zemara

Yes…I’d add some form of incentive and bonus for going out while the comms are down. Maybe double the mining yield. But bear in mind also that whilst gankers could have a field day for the duration, anyone wishing to attack gankers ( or indeed anyone else ) would also be free to do so…so in fact it might even be the gankers who stay locked up in the stations. Would be a fascinating experiment…with no guarantee that carnage would actually result.

This would be similar to the permeate flashy status on gankers. It doesn’t have to be from null sec, but I think a way to get content created in the game. I think a lot of people would take a chance to pop a ganker if the LP was good enough.

One issue I thought about that might need some thought is how do you identify a ganker? Maybe it is simply you are a lawbreaker, your security status is minus XX number and you become flashy if you are part of a ganking group or not.

JJ

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Jesse_W_James

to imply they are the saving grace of everyone making isk is a stretch and maybe you didn’t mean to that extreme.

I hold they are a benefit to the economy.

[Jesse_W_James]

@Ramona_McCandless

I hold they are a benefit to the economy.

Fair enough and accurate statement.

JJ

[Altara_Zemara]

@Jesse_W_James

I agreed that ganking can be content. But now how do we balance it?

You have yet to define what ‘balance’ even is. You just throw the word about as if it gives you some sort of argument…when really it is a placeholder for no argument at all. It’s the sort of meaningless terminology politicians use…’ we must have balance’…that signifies they themselves haven’t a clue what their policies are or should be. It’s designed to make the audience think there is something there…when really there is nothing, in the same way that zero is equally ‘balanced’ between all the positive and negative integers. The person offering literally nothing…is you.

[Jesse_W_James]

@Altara_Zemara

You have yet to define what ‘balance’ even is. You just throw the word about as if it gives you some sort of argument…when really it is a placeholder for no argument at all. It’s the sort of meaningless terminology politicians use…’ we must have balance’…that signifies they themselves haven’t a clue what their policies are or should be. It’s designed to make the audience think there is something there…when really there is nothing, in the same way that zero is equally ‘balanced’ between all the positive and negative integers. The person offering literally nothing…is you.

Are you reading the thread Altara? I have made several claims to the imbalance if you honestly have no clue and are not reading the thread let me know I will give you a few points to go start a conversation with you.

JJ

[Altara_Zemara]

@Jesse_W_James

One issue I thought about that might need some thought is how do you identify a ganker?

This is a question that shows you haven’t a clue what you are on about.

Ganking is not some sort of official role or corp or tag. Ganking is an activity. A person could be mining or doing PvE one minute, and ganking the next. There is no official ‘ganker’ identification. I go out walking. Does that make me a ‘walker’ ? Is my entire identity in life to be defined by ’ there goes that Walker again ’ ?

Anyone could be a ganker. At any time. I could go out right now and gank the nearest Venture. You seem to want to corrale all ‘Gankers’ into some official group like ‘Walkers’…which truly shows you haven’t a clue.

[Jesse_W_James]

@Altara_Zemara

This is a question that shows you haven’t a clue what you are on about.

I know plenty on the game Altara; always something to learn but not a noob by any stretch of the imagination.

@Altara_Zemara

Ganking is not some sort of official role or corp or tag. Ganking is an activity. A person could be mining or doing PvE one minute, and ganking the next. There is no official ‘ganker’ identification. I go out walking. Does that make me a ‘walker’ ? Is my entire identity in life to be defined by ’ there goes that Walker again ’ ?

There are ganking corps specifically focused on ganking. And some people specifically do that gameplay, lots of argument in the thread for that.

I think the security status level will have to work; the only logical way to do it is by having the pirate alliance, as discussed earlier.

@Altara_Zemara

Anyone could be a ganker. At any time. I could go out right now and gank the nearest Venture. You seem to want to corrale all ‘Gankers’ into some official group like ‘Walkers’…which truly shows you haven’t a clue.

They are in specific groups ask Aiko or James, not me the other one.

JJ

[Io_Koval]

Is this guy still blabbing on on his alt instead of posting on his main?