Ok so we have multiple reasons why ganking is good, balanced and functional.
And nothing of value countering it.
Can we /thread now?
I think ganking needs a buff.
Many people say that the game is dying and in order to improve the game we need to let people play the game and buff the ganking gamestyle.
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I agree.
Maybe we should start a Buff Ganking Megathread.
In the interests of fairness ofc
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Hold on, I’m making a few new alts so I can roleplay as a newbro ganker who just wants to buff the gankingplaystyle for the health of the game.
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Its important that we discuss suggestions about how to buff ganking.
That will be the topic, so anything else will be offtopic.
Seems clear, I doubt anyone could object
mmmmmhmmmmmmmmmm you are the one that can’t adapt to moving goal post MB, not me.
JJ
Fair enough, but I was thinking maybe if we gave anti-ganker gameplay and gankers much-needed counterplay, maybe it works out.
Like a year or so ago when CCP dialed back the rats on gates, maybe something similar for the police is dialed back slightly.
But I wouldn’t want to remove CONCORD, nor would I want them to not to respond. I would even be open to increased CONCORD response time. If we went with ganker coming from Null through WH we could increase by a significant amount. In the case we are talking to a little but not much.
Really appreciate the feedback though.
JJ
lo can we move past this as it is really a none issue. If I have supers, worth trillions plus, having friends in-game doesn’t matter. The whole point of the alt actually, to keep it right here. I am not sure why it is so important to you. I have not looked up one person on this forum, I mean its a forum lo. You should be free to say pretty much anything you want as long as it isn’t super offensive which I don’t think we have had any of that.
JJ
I am by no means an expert MB. I haven’t been a ganker, and I don’t know what ganker life is. This is in theory where forum thread feedback is needed. To give that side when debating the balance or whatever it is.
JJ
I have adapted just fine. You’re the one crying on the forums, not me.
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You did, but I mean real counterplay. Not discounting the ones you listed, but active player counterplay. Last night unsuccessfully so far, but I was bouncing around getting anti-ganking as gameplay that could be profitable that may be of interest.
I also posted back to MB on Ganking life starting in Null sec and WH jumping to High sec. It was endgame lofty but bouncing some ideas around. Might also be interesting for you to read very short.
We can disagree on this one, a horse isn’t a zebra, and a zebra isn’t a unicorn. If it was PvP then we wouldn’t call it ganking. No one says fleet up lets go gank in low. It is PvP conent.
You could say PvP = Player vs Player and fair enough if want to twist somehow a player not shooting back is PvP, I mean I would love those wars, seems like guns are going to win here.
To be PvP it needs to be real combat, which is not ganking.
We can agree with that, no secrete on listening to FC and doing what you are told in an organized manner isn’t difficult. Although you would be surprised.
Before you get all twisted here, lets remember my remarks were in response to you saying there is low skill to be a miner. But discounting the fact that it low skill to be a ganker. I wasn’t attacking the skill level of the ganker community only showing in relation they are about the same. Or as you right below, I don’t see you listing miner out, why would you go and assume it is low level? I would guess the same reason I assume ganking is low level. It doesn’t take a ganking expert to see training time in everyone’s cue on what it takes to do what. You can simply look and add up the days. How long to be a T1 barge miner, how long to be a T1 Destroyer ganker.
I am not a ganker, I don’t need a ganker, but I need gankers to join the conversation and give their side. This is the basis of any conversation, and you can look through all my post, I have never ever posted to be a expert, and I have only requested a conversation with the community. And well you can see how well that has gone, as you can’t fill a cup already full.
Main or alt it really doesn’t matter and please lets not make this the focus of the thread has it holds no value and or merit.
Expert feedback, out of the 4,694 of those comments I find little of that. Looking for that person though. I feel there is an imbalance, and understand gankers don’t want to change their gameplay, but wouldn’t you agree that is what every player in an imbalance system would say.
It is clear not many here want to have a real discussion, that is fine my hope is that it comes one day.
Give the abyssal a try, I am telling you it is next level hard without an almost perfect fit. And I would be embarrassed to say how many times I died there.
JJ
I would really like you to expand on that so we can start that conversation.
- Ganking is good - It is content we agree there, good or bad is always going to be subjective.
- Balanced - It is very unbalanced, I have given ideas on balance. Do you care to expand even if your opinion on what ganking is balanced, and I will try my best to counter.
- Functional - I mean it works, but maybe an argument here I am missing, but heck I have given everything else a shot.
JJ
Get the arguments going here let’s have a conversation finally Aiko. Where do you want to start this conversation? What buffs are you thinking ganking needs?
JJ
If not already taken you can name your alt The Pinkerton. That would be a classic showdown.
JJ
I will do my best to give you counterarguments.
JJ
What are your thoughts on growing anti-gankers as gameplay giving high LP as a reward for taking out the pirates of High Sec and protecting the Carebears of the Empires.
JJ
I think your just a troll. Please do continue to turn oxygen into greenhouse gas.
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Nope, good or bad are objective. It is objectively good for the game for there to be human opponents with which to match wits otherwise the game is boring, which is objectively bad.
No, it isnt and you have so far failed to prove such. I have already proved that not only is it balanced, but if it is unbalanced, it is in the favour of the gankee, not the ganker. Of the 4 possible outcomes, only one is of benefit to the ganker and a total of two are considered a loss by the gankee.
Yes, you are missing it. Market regulation and the important role ganking plays in keeping freight handling prices high, and the market healthy.
CONCORD should be removed from the game.
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Because most people grasp that you are not resolving a problem…you are manufacturing one. You want people to ‘discuss things’…but the said things consist of nothing more than how you personally ‘feel’.
Ganking has existed in Eve for years. It’s not something that has just suddenly arisen. It has on numerous occasions, including at the recent Fanfest, been quite clearly stated by CCP to be an integral part of Eve. It is thus not something that needs ‘solving’…it is part of the game !
You set yourself up as speaking for noobs, but as a recent noob myself you sure as hell don’t speak for me. And every single other person here was once a noob, and I’m quite sure most of them got ganked at some point…and they are all still in the game and thriving. Eve is about surviving…and if people simply can’t cope with that, well there’s no end of other games they can play rather than try to ruin it for those who do enjoy the difficult survival environment of Eve.
There are already protections in place for noobs…which I notice you totally fail to mention. There are also all manner of ways and means a noob can avoid being ganked…I myself provided a list in a post here…yet you just ignore that too.
In the end, you have simply bored people to death. You want to ‘discuss things’ that have been discussed and thrashed over a billion times with the overwhelming forum majority opinion always being that there isn’t a major problem. It’s not at all hard to see why most people have simply lost interest.
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