Nerf Ganking Megathread

[Jesse_W_James]

@MB_ThePhotographer

And you added anything?

Actually one of the few that has added anything. Responded to you earlier, did I not? That went nowhere, we don’t want to have a conversation in the forums; we already know what will and will not work for the game.

So yeah, anytime you want to get back on track with the ganking, I am here for you. But to say I have added nothing, I asked at least 20 questions tonight, wrote high-level thoughts, and even got on board with your -5 and -10.

Not saying they are the answer, only pointing out no one, and I mean no one is actually interested in discussing in this thread really anything about the thread. Give a shoutout to Ax he did respond to a question. You did respond, and well that about where the list ends. It is like a real conversation can’t progress here, and maybe since the beginning of time, and that is the issue.

Someone from the ganking community will come that will want to discuss things, just not sure that pilot is here yet. Won’t give up on you though MB, always here to give it another shot.

JJ

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Jesse_W_James

back on track with the ganking

You were never on track.

[Jesse_W_James]

@MB_ThePhotographer

You were never on track.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, Karen.

[Jesse_W_James]

@Ramona_McCandless

It isnt. Im not trying to make suggestions regarding whether there should be more or not. Thats you. Or had you forgotten?

Just waiting for you to spill the beans here on the NPC cheating that has major concerns and if it has anything to do with the Ganking thread? Or is it back to my NPC can replace gankers no issue point? Not giving up on your Ramona, we will get to the bottom of this.

JJ

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Jesse_W_James

Or is it back to my NPC can replace gankers no issue point?

The issue is npc’s don’t act like humans.

[Ax_l_Thorne]

@Jesse_W_James

For the faction police they don’t smother you unless you have engaged in a ganking activity.

Uh no. CONCORD smothers you when you gank.

Faction police actively hunt you down (hence the mall cop following you around comment) and will land on you within a few minutes if you sit idle. That is why flashy reds tether to avoid them, or in my case, bounce around from safe spot to safe spot.

You have absolutely no idea how the current C and P system works, yet you think your ideas will improve upon them? How does that work?

[Ax_l_Thorne]

@MB_ThePhotographer

And you added anything?

Common man. He’s the forum mom and solely judges -with 100% accuracy- who has contributed meaningful content -those that actively and blindly agree with him- and those that contribute meaningless content -those that oppose his position, question his position, ask for clarification, and/or questions his logic and claims.-

Get with the program MB.

[Jesse_W_James]

@MB_ThePhotographer

The issue is npc’s don’t act like humans.

We have moved on from the NPC replacing gankers but trying to figure out what Ramona is talking about.

JJ

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@MB_ThePhotographer

I used to love soccer when I was young! I think having moving goalposts would be a Great addition to the game!

Move more goalposts.

[Jesse_W_James]

@Ax_l_Thorne

Uh no. CONCORD smothers you when you gank.

Faction police actively hunt you down (hence the mall cop following you around comment) and will land on you within a few minutes if you sit idle. That is why flashy reds tether to avoid them, or in my case, bounce around from safe spot to safe spot.

You have absolutely no idea how the current C and P system works, yet you think your ideas will improve upon them? How does that work?

Cool your jets; when you are flashy yellow or red, you don’t have anything police faction, concord, or anything else but players possibly chasing you. You will have to give up the tether, though; not a huge deal, I don’t think, unless anti-gank becomes popular, and maybe we look at it then.

See easy adjustment Ax, no problem.

JJ

[Jesse_W_James]

@Ax_l_Thorne

Common man. He’s the forum mom and solely judges -with 100% accuracy- who has contributed meaningful content -those that actively and blindly agree with him- and those that contribute meaningless content -those that oppose his position, question his position, ask for clarification, and/or questions his logic and claims.-

Get with the program MB.

I think you were going a little hard on yourself there Ax, but hey your words not mine.

JJ

[Jesse_W_James]

@MB_ThePhotographer

Move more goalposts.

Probably why you never score.

JJ

[MB_ThePhotographer]

@Jesse_W_James

Probably why you never score.

Your score in game speaks for itself. Insults means you lost the argument if you have resort to that.

[Ax_l_Thorne]

I see what you are saying. Your change proposes that CONCORD and faction police are axed, and it’s strictly players going after you.

Not a fan of this idea. I like the mall police chasing me around. Keeps me on my toes. Players can already freely engage so not sure how your idea there changes anything.

The only thing I see here is that you want to remove CONCORD? Interesting. Though not sold on it because of role-play reasons.

But I am absolutely for getting rid of tethers.

[Io_Koval]

This guy still doesn’t post with his main so for all we know he has multiple supers and has big hotshot alliance leader friends.

[MB_ThePhotographer]

You know as well as I do that’s not the case. No ware near experienced enough. But I do believe he’s just trolling us for fun. A Bluey reincarnation?

Edit; Crap, forgot to add he refuses to learn.

[LowKey_Chandler]

@MB_ThePhotographer

How many did we lose over that?

Me for a year. And 27 systems, among them Niarja which means people have lost hours to the drudgery of long trips. And leftover Trig and Edencom systems with those godzilla guns.
And when the going gets rough, just switch on a filament. That’s great for the PVP. (sarcasm)

I would LOVE it if the fight could continue and we could break the crystals jamming those gates. The game would be on. But I don’t know that CCP has the tech left for something like that.

[LowKey_Chandler]

@Ax_l_Thorne

The only thing I see here is that you want to remove CONCORD? Interesting.

That’s lowsec, right?

[Shipwreck_Jones]

@Jesse_W_James

what are the counter plays? Watch local, spam v all day.

I made a whole list of counter play options in the first post of this thread, and it’s not even all inclusive.

@Jesse_W_James

No Shipwreck, it is called ganking because it isn’t PvP. If it was real PvP we would call it PvP.

A horse is not an animal because we call them horses, and not animals.

By the way does anyone want to go for a PvP after this? I’m also up for running some PvE’s if you would rather do that.

@Jesse_W_James

But no ganker is solo anything but ventures.

That’s demonstrably false, but it’s irrelevant to the point I was trying to make. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that it requires significantly less effort to be a line member in a “real PvP” fleet, than it does to gank (assuming you’re hunting by yourself, or doing the work in a ganking fleet, and not just being a line member in a ganking fleet).

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Also, you get a lot of things wrong -and I’m not just talking about the things for which there “is room for debate” (i.e. ganking doesn’t require skill). I mean, you sometimes get things wrong that can be unequivocally proven wrong. So, doesn’t that give you pause? What about the fact that you lack experience as a ganker? Let me put it this way. I have a decent amount of experience in sov warfare as a line pilot, logi pilot, and logi anchor, and have done a little bit of FC’ing outside of sov warfare. In spite of this, however, I wouldn’t dare to presume that I have more than a casual knowledge of bloc level FC’ing, and sure as hell wouldn’t be proposing changes to bloc level FC’ing or sov warfare balance.

Speaking of which, I don’t like the argument about you not posting on your main. I mean every person in this thread is using an anonymous pseudonym, and I’m not one for giving out free intel myself. But the main reason I don’t like it, however, is because it distracts from what I see as a significantly bigger issue -the fact that someone who does not understand nor value a play style is proposing massive changes to that play style, while generally dismissing what the experts of that play style have to say on the matter.

And, just in case you were curious, I do an embarrassing amount of PvE in HS. I have experience on both sides of the blaster, and am invested in and value both predator and prey play styles. Obviously, I do have preferences when it comes to UPvP and challenge, but it’s not exactly like I’m speaking from the perspective of a pure ganker who hates carebears and doesn’t understand what it’s like to do PvE in HS.