Gankers affect miners in positive ways.
We teach new players how to fit their ships. We teach how to watch local, how to stop being crybabies, and how to warp out.
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Nope it was a response to this:
Let me tell you - and only you because you are the only one who would not grasp this - why, in mathematical terms, anyone could opt to make the 15 day mark a limit. Because that’s where the most significance loss of retention occurs. That’s what ccp cares about, even though Hilmar shows numbers up to 90 days, while you care about any loss in hisec. Doesn’t fit your narrative, does it. So it’s CCP_Rise’s fault ? Riduculukas.
as in
Right …
Oh yes, the psychology of the gank. Are you brooding on a non-fiction novel or just throwing ■■■■ around and gain some populist traction? Almost everyone who undocks deals with ganking. You claim it hurts retention, CCP says you’re wrong. End of story.
You mean if you manage to make a thread flare up ? You claim the right to fill threads with dozens of posts, attempting to chase anyone by any means away with a different viewpoint, and you expect no opposition. And you don’t even play the game ?That’s not how it works. Be realistic. Stop being a bandwagon jumper everywhere you show up.
I know what you yourself said: you do not play the game.
I looked at a killboard. Stalking you would be following you around in the game. Careful with your choice of words, it might bite you
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I will never stop being a crybaby and i am not even a rookie
Players changed. Us, new players, we are soft and weak and lazy and we want instant gratification and we mustn’t lose otherwise we ragequit and shame the game on reddit and post bad reviews on steam. Game developers must change their games to suit us or we won’t play it. For long anyway! And if we won’t play it, the game dies. That is a fact.
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They don’t undock, remember ? Because you don’t play. Your whole operation came to a grinding halt because YOUR ability to adjust and adapt was lost. Perhaps the changes to the functioning of the TTT were key ? Whatever. Good riddance. You lost.
Anyway, you can make all the false claims you want, spin like a top in discussions, ridicule who you want. In essence you’ve given up on EvE, as you don’t come here with any constructive, balanced and considerate solutions except absolute, radical ones. With that approach you’re on a path to make other people give up on EvE. That is your forum game. That, as a single element, already warrants opposition, if not from an ISD then at least from the community who loves our game and its uniqueness.
EDIT: “the” became “YOUR”, to reduce ambiguity.
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These statements would all be true, if any of us lived in your Kellian reality. Fortunately we don’t.
Goodbye.
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forgery ? is that all that is left ?
@Lucas_Kell Just for my own edification, where would I fit into your categories of basement dwelling incels? If you check my zkill I have spent quite a bit of time on this character lately just siting in Low sec with Spectre Fleet just murdering everyone who comes in. Sometimes it’s a faction fit Nighthawk; a lot of the time it’s some dude in an NPC corp in an Ibis. It’s absolutely a barbaric turkey shoot that requires no skills and predominately kills people who aren’t proficient with various methods of keeping themselves safe.
On the flip side, despite my -9.9 security status I have never once killed a player in Hi sec. Is the fact I do it on low sec sufficient to get me out of my moms basement and into the arms of a loving woman in your eyes, or must I labor under the weight of your displeasure like those terrible gankers?
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Yep, all I do is attack new players.
Great dialogue we’re having here.
Who is more likely responsible for the newbies qutting or never playing Eve Online to begin with:
- That guy on YouTube that now dedicates his entire Eve Channel to complain about ganking and tell people not to play the game
- Lucas and forum warrior no-longer-playing people like him, who want to “protect the newbies” by telling would-be players on other areas of the internet not to play Eve because they’ll just wind up being ganked
- Gankers, who send actual Eve Online players to “Why Was I Ganked?” channel to attempt to give concrete and actionable gameplay advice, to improve their odds of survival or – heck! – how never to get ganked again
Tough choice.
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If it’s so easy, where’s your list?
I haven’t been banned?
Clearly, CCP does not share your concerns.
In fact, based on my recent communications with a CCP employee, I am well behaved and they commend me on my consistent good behaviour and fair sportsmanship. Many new players write me (and CCP), to express their sensational delight and satisfied pleasure with the Aiko New Player Experience.
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Why haven’t they made a change?
Just waiting for you to finalize your approval?
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Man, Jesus.
The why was i ganked channel is a mockery of the poor people.
A humiliation
That isn’t exactly happening tho. I’d say the amount of true noobs getting ganked is very low.
I would not qualify someone in a marauder, even if 5 days old, a noob. If they busted out the wallet, skilled up without actual skill and gets blapped, that’s on them.
You’re outright lying about the nature of ganking. And that is my issue with most AG peeps. You outright lie and don’t even spend time in game sussing out the real situation.
Most actual organized ganker groups gank for profit. It is the new form of piracy because low has been set on the wayside and several other changes impacted it as well.
It is due to the player’s crying that ganking in its current form exists.
Then why doesn’t everyone gank if its so easy?
Nope. More security, not tottally safe.
Wut. Ganking teaches very important EVE lessons.
That nowhere is safe. Always watch local. F10 is your friend. Spend the extra 30 secs it takes to pop out of the station to recon if moving valuables. Be polite to others but damn sure don’t trust them to not try and kill you. Always assume people are trying to kill you. Fly only what you can afford or are willing to lose.
This is a Remember The Titans moment. You think you saving these noobs, but you’re crippling them for life son.
And thats on them for flying what they can’t afford to lose. Making ISK isn’t hard. Google exists. The game darn near 20 years old. If people can’t spend 20 mins of their life googling how to make ISK, which they spend way more time watching songs about corn, then they deserve that death when it comes.
Ah yes, the bias finally rears its head. Because people who want to PvP in an open world consensual PvP game must be socially maladjusted in real life right? Heavens forbid people actually wanna PvP in a game about PvP.
Wait till you find out Aiko is a girl 
I dunno man. 17k for a nearly 20 year old game is pretty good. I mean look at New World right now ROFL.
Wut. This the same game that celebrates straight scamming people.
Yes. And blapping others is fun
Again, you make like their helpless. Its simply not true. Google exists. Youtube exists. F10 exists.
If they can’t figure out how to play the game, they shouldn’t play
As they should if they are mining where they shouldn’t LOL.
So many places to mine and not get ganked.
LOL. Far from insta win. More like people don’t know how to evade death.
Nah its cause most people are bad at PvP and don’t know how to AG. If Gith would follow my advice, she’d actually make an impact in ganking.
But it requires sklll and dedication. AGers don’t got it.
What in the quafe are you smoking? That you Gabbie Hanna?
Oh? So if it isn’t complex and dangerous, then ganking isn’t a problem right? Then how are all these hordes of noobs dying if the game isn’t complex and dangerous? You can’t have it both ways LOL.
Yes and due to the changes of crying players, this form of ganking now exists. You only got yourself to blame
Holy Quafe. This is why I feel only Omegas should be able to post here. We got peeps trying to nerf the game who don’t even play the game.
But you admitted you don’t play?
How is it abuse? It is ToS supported game play
Wow, you cry a lot.
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Slide looks like it says that HS Griefing is “cruel, but fair”
Doesnt sound like they are planning to remove it, based on that image.
From memory, the commentary was along the lines of:
- ganking is cruel but fair. it isn’t going anywhere
- ganking new players with no cargo and no other clear objective to ganking them, is griefing
They’ve done nothing about the change in their interpretation of what griefing is considered to be and until they do, then situation normal.
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They also specifically stated that ganking is not griefing.
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ROFL wut. Whose ganking T1 frigs? You got any data for these “countless frigs” LOL.
Do people get popped sometimes? Yea of course for lulz. But uh, organized gankers aren’t wasting catas on anything less than faction frigs haha.
You offer no proof to your claims LOL.
Ok, now you’re trolling for sure. Cliff and Hawk say hi ROFL.
They be rolling in the dough. I seen Aiko clear a bil in a day from ganking son.
Bro you can’t honestly believe this LOL.
LOL cept it ain’t newbies who are dying mostly. Mostly its vets who actually have no idea how to play.
Yes, they are stupid if they over invest and don’t safeguard their stuff.
What proof do you have that they are incels? And actually the term incel would be an incorrect usage anyways. They aren’t trying to date, they trynna gank. Also Aiko is a girl. She can’t be an incel LOL.
And it is PvP. You consent to PvP, in any sec space, as soon as you undock.
17k is still 17k bro LOL. We all know you ain’t one of them anyways
Cool story bro
Huh? I already solved ganking my first month back. I already gave Gith the tactic. Ain’t my fault they don’t use it. I spent a solid month in Uedama AGing, observing and learning. I already know how to impact ganking. Yes, it does take a group and an alliance. However, you misunderstand. Ganking doesn’t affect me and I approve of the playstyle, although it isn’t one I partake in.
Therefore, why would I want ganking to be impacted?
You did bro. Sorry. You outed yourself
LOL at the semantics. Also how do you know that ibis ain’t carrying hot loot? It isn’t abuse bro. If they say stuff or violate other stuff, sure. But if they just blap, loot and scoot? Fully supported. Cry moar ROFL.
And you already dodged this question before. How do you define a new player? The character might be 7 days old. How do you know the player actually is? ROFL.
They already protect newbs in newb systems.
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