Nerf Ganking Megathread

[Ramona_McCandless]

You hate your feet?

You are extremely strange.

[Iceacid_Frostpacker]

@Ax_l_Thorne

dat Sweet Aiko Foot action

covered in miners tears.

[Ferdiad_Silver]

@Ramona_McCandless

You hate your feet?

You are extremely strange.

I suppose it is a function of balance in the universe. If there are people that fetishise them then there are people that would rather more people covered them with socks.

[Ramona_McCandless]

This is not better

[Aiko_Danuja]

@Lucas_Kell

us

There’s no “us”.

It’s literally just you by yourself.

[Aiko_Danuja]

I do say so.

Even antigankers don’t want ganking removed from the game.

Who would they antigank if ganking is removed?

[Aiko_Danuja]

So you want to kill the antiganking playstyle?

[Aiko_Danuja]

Well, it’s a good thing nobody agrees with you.

[Scipio_Artelius]

@Lucas_Kell

“The only way to balance ganking is to remove literally the only thing that adds any sort of barrier to ganking”.

Nope. No one has said that.

@Lucas_Kell

It’s simply not true.

Of course it isn’t, but then it’s a sentence you made up yourself.

[Ferdiad_Silver]

Are you surprised. The unelected representatives of the new players presenting opinions as fact. Spinning as freely as any politician and ultimately serving their agenda rather than the people they claim to serve.

If they get what they want they will be after transaction tax breaks for their mates next.

[Ramona_McCandless]

Prevention isnt a counter to a disease?

I would have thought not letting something happen was a better counter than letting it happen then dealing with it.

If the choice is act before it happens or act after it happens, where does countering it actually fit in?

During?

THEN BUFF ALL HP BY x10-100

Its not hard ffs.

/thread

[Ferdiad_Silver]

@Ramona_McCandless

Prevention isnt a counter to a disease?

Small pox would like a word. A disease that we irradicated through prevention.

You combat the spread of most diseases through education. Just like educating players on how to avoid ganks is the most practical and effective way to have an impact on ganking.

They don’t want to really counter ganking, counter play would require active play. The people that want ganking removed want to play while paying as little attention to the game as possible.

[Gix_Firebrand]

@Lucas_Kell

Nope. It’s evasion. It doesn’t counter a gank, it avoids it. Remaining docked will avoid ganks for example, it will not counter them.

ROFL wut. You’re just being silly now

@Lucas_Kell

What we’re talking about is actual counterplay, as in antigankes playing the opposing role to gankers. That does not exist because ganking is entirely one-sided. This is undeniable, and that’s why you’re tying to cast fitting a ship as “counterplay”, so you don’t have to accept that ganking is one-sided and unbalanced and can shift the goalposts. It’s also why you’re resorting to insults, because your argument has no merit.

It isn’t. Tons of peeps listed tatics in this thread and others. You’re just terribad at EVE my guy

@Lucas_Kell

I’ve linked multiple times in this thread to CCP saying it does.

You mean lied about it multiple times? Yea LOL.

@Lucas_Kell

It’s already dead. Removing ganking would kill the ganking playstyle while simultaneously kicking the corpse of the antiganking playstyle.

Hey @Githany_Red , Lucas says ya’ll are useless

@Ferdiad_Silver

They don’t want to really counter ganking, counter play would require active play. The people that want ganking removed want to play while paying as little attention to the game as possible.

Yes sir. All I’ve tried to do since coming back is bring people to the light that is the gamall vargur.

Its nice to see others follow it as well.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Ferdiad_Silver

Small pox would like a word. A disease that we irradiated through prevention.

I think you mean eradicated.

I dont understand, are you disagreeing that eradication is not effectively countering an existing disease?

A person watching d-scan etc and not being present when a gank fleet arrives is countering the gank. The gank cant happen if they arent there.

I really dont know what you are trying to say, because Im pointing out that Lucas

1. is wrong that Opsec doenst counter ganks
2. is ignoring the single easiest way to make a gank turn into a battle (the only thing I can think of that Countering could mean from his vague description) is to increase HP so the gank lasts long enough for people to get engaged.

Do you disagree with these points, and if so why.

[Ferdiad_Silver]

@Ramona_McCandless

I dont understand, are you disagreeing that eradication is not effectively countering an existing disease?

No I’m agreeing that the statement about preventing not being countering is absurd. It was a supportive statement.

@Ramona_McCandless

I think you mean eradicated.

I did, my spelling is not always so great.

[Ramona_McCandless]

Ah ok cool, no worries.

Here’s a question

If there’s a demand for “effective counterplay” against ganking thats active (i.e not just using safe practices and opsec and all that), then surely CONCORD cannot exist in that paradigm?

[Ferdiad_Silver]

I think that ganking arose from a desire to have player impact on every part of space. My recollection of it being that it was originally goons proving that they could afffect mineral prices etc just as well in high sec and that nothing was out of their reach.

Since the. It has expanded and there will be people that gank for lots of reasons.

Some of them will be people who like to pvp with spreadsheets. They will lament the loss of concord and high sec as we know it. Also lamenting it will be the pvp’ers that like to come to high sec after a frustrating day of being blobbed or having everyone run away from them in low and null.

The ones that will be happy to see concorde go will be the ones that purely gank because they want high sec to be dangerous space too. They will just change the way they do pvp in high sec.

I think it would be better if ganking and concorde remain in high sec really, because there are players that are happy to do all the things necessary to avoid ganking but don’t want to be part of an intel channel or on a billion discords and a mumble server.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Lucas_Kell

That’d create opportunities for actual PvP.

OK, so then multiply all HP by x10-100 somewhere so that there is time to mount a defense and modifiy CONCORD to be the add-on NPC support mentioned earlier.

Seems easy enough.

[Ramona_McCandless]

Not the question I asked but thanks for mansplaining ganking to me.

[Ferdiad_Silver]

Is that sarcasm?

It certainly wasn’t an attempt to mansplain. That is why I started with an “I think” statement. Rather to answer your question which I didn’t feel there was a simple answer to.

Concorde is necessary for so many different people.

Yes there is a demand for “counterplay” but not everyone wants that or needs that as defined by the minority on here.

It seems the majority atleast in this forum consider counter play to include prevention and not just narrow it down to blowing them up before they can blow us up.