Do barges have spare high slots nowadays?
I actually think there is room for a module that does damage to systems or lowers resistances. Something other than neuts and smart bombs that can go in the high slots.
No, this idea isnt specifically for Barges. They have drones after all but if they wanted to could switch out a Strip Miner for a Mining Laser, I suppose.
In regards to top slot systems, Im more concerned about balancing the basic combat system and making it more interesting than buffs and debuffs, but sure, I dont see why not.
Probably what the silly Edencom weapon should have been.
Here we have the kernel of an idea.
A series of weapons that can render a ship helpless. Actively damaging shields armour and then modules but never hull. They could be used in high sec without Concorde intervention.
This would let anti-gankers have their playstyle and remove the argument of ganking having no ‘counterplay’.
It would also allow you to have more kinds of high sec pvp. Miners reshipping into destroyers with module damaging weapons to force other miners off the belt and to have to pay to fix up their modules. People invading missions and stripping the mission ships of their dps tanks so they can steal all the loot and salvage.
They would have less use in null but wouldn’t be without their uses. For instance if you wanted to capture a capital ship rather than destroy it you could swarm it strip it of shields and modules and then hold it there completely depleted of resources till the player is forced to choose between having that expensive loss mail to justify to their alliance or ejecting from the ship.
How do you stop people using it to grief?
It would be no different than anything. Any kind of griefing you could do with these modules could also be done with a gank. You just punish people doing it to new players which is currently the only CCP defined method of griefing.
Then I dont really get why you would use these instead of just ganking the target?
Unless we ARE talking about rejigging the combat system so everyone had more HP or something.
EDIT: This is all just such spagehtti logic. Just tell new players that they can get shot at any point in space and be done with it. Bank regularly and trust no one.
No…what you are talking about is a complete red herring. It is your usual style of picking a word and focusing on that one word to the exclusion of all else. Classic ‘argument ad dictionarum’ You try to force the debate into your terms and definitions…that you just invent on the fly.
Your whole ‘counterplay’ nonsense is a deliberate evasion of the fact that people can avoid being ganked…something you don’t want the debate to focus on.
Just for you…
Argumentum ad dictionarium is the act of pulling out a dictionary to support your assertions. More broadly speaking, it can refer to any argument about definitions, semantics, or what label to apply to a person or idea — an actual dictionary may not be involved, sometimes the definition is purely personal, sometimes it can be a case of picking and choosing definitions raised by other sources,[2] but the end use is the same. For the most part, “dictionary” is used as a short-cut to refer to any source of these definitions, including statement such as “well, if I define X like this…”, which is possibly the most asinine form of the fallacy. See, we’ve had to head off one use of this fallacy already in case someone says, “It’s not this fallacy because I’m not using a dictionary!”
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The reason why are drones useless is that locking a target takes 50+ second in t1 hauler. More so if you also fitted warp stabs.
The locking time is the biggest issue on this ship class.
This is purely a thought on how we might broaden the amount of pvp happening in high sec. It is not intended to replace ganking. Yes it will be a buff to the AG movement but I doubt they will ever be organised enough to really make a dent in ganking.
Nooooo ! You can’t point out blindingly obvious fact to Lucas. You have to argue in the most contorted manner possible, via Lucas’s own dictionary where he gets to decide what every single word means. You have to also accept that ‘nope’ is a valid response to 4 paragraphs of fact, be ready to point out the same facts 50 million times as Lucas just ignores them…AND accept the fact that it is Wednesday so Lucas will be countering comments that he himself made on Tuesday.
Not so because as soon as you warp scramble them you have the same timer. These weapons would require them to want to stay and fight you. You could always just warp off to safety before they did any real harm.
Not to mention anyone in a ship fitted with high sec weaponry is not going to be in a ganking ship.
I envision these weapons giving you a suspect timer if used to aggress so it would expand the baiting playstyle to more than just looting important mission items and goading the players.
Lucas seems to have been somewhat well behaved this afternoon so can we not antagonise him? I have no issue with him if he actually discusses in good faith.
But again the argument goes round in circles as it has already been pointed out to you that noobs are PROTECTED in no less than 35 systems where it is a violation of Eve terms to hassle under 30 day old noobs.
Their purpose would be to give the carebears of high sec a way to interact with eachother outside of the ganker gankee dynamic as I said.
If you see an orca sitting in a belt afk mining on your favourite belt, hop into a battle ship and pew pew them. (I envision drones shutting down when all modules do) then their afk play has bought them a 1 billion ship unattended on a belt and you get to keep the rocks for yourself.
If someone is doing all the combat sites in a system that you feel is yours then you can drive them off with a little pew pew.
If you see a suspected ganker alt on a gate you can pew pew them till they have no modules left to warp scramble you before you bring your freighter/marauder/transport ship through.
Arguments don’t go round and round in circles and have to have people point out the same facts again and again and again…if people are discussing in good faith. Hoping that the latest counterfactual point will slip off the page if ignored long enough is most definitely not discussing in good faith.
A situation where you make one comment on Monday and its complete opposite on Tuesday, only to return to Monday’s stance, is not acting in good faith.
A situation where you quote a graph yet deliberately omit half the text that went with it…is not discussing in good faith.
Forcing everyone to accept your dictionary definition that is a complete red herring anyway and evades how people could avoid ganking…is not discussing in good faith.
In fact it would be simpler if you just pointed out in which of your 500 posts you have discussed in good faith…as I’m far from being the only one who cannot see any.
And there’s the other issue Lucas just doesn’t get. Certain corps effectively ‘own’ certain parts of space, and that includes highsec. Lucas acts as if ore is just free manna from heaven that anyone has the right to grab unharmed…and completely misses the fact that a miner may be mining in what is someone else’s belt. Heck, half the reason for highsec wardecs is to demolish other people’s claims to moons, ore, etc.
It is perfectly legitimate for corps that do not want miners mining their ore…to blap the non-corp miners that do mine there. Not least because there is not an infinite supply of ore every day.
In a fight over resources, ganking is quite legitimate.
Easy answer you too can bring alts to the field. The ganker will be left deciding if he blows his load and brings his catalysts to the field to gank your AG ship instead of an actual juicy target.
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You see, then we have the same motivation. Maybe our opinion what would be steps into a “better” direction just differs.
And yet, when you quoted CCP Rise stats from 2015, you deliberately left out this comment…another example of you ‘arguing in good faith’…eh?..
“We have tried and tried to validate the myth that griefing has a pronounced affect on new players - we have failed. The strongest indicators for a new player staying with EVE are associated with social activity: joining corps, using market and contract systems, pvping, etc. Isolating players away from the actual sandbox seems very contrary to what we would like to accomplish.” ( CCP Rise…Feb 2015 )
Depends how you are fit. Praxis for instance can support both an impressive tank and good DPS. It’s one of the reasons people call for it to be nerfed.
Similarly you can just use your high alpha high sec alt on his when it warps in.