Nerf Ganking Megathread

Thats not even remotely true from my experience. L4 blizing, BurnerMissions, T5/6 Abyssals generate absurd amounts of income and the chance of losing your ship is close to zero if you don’t pile up some major fuckups.

Ah yea, and not to forget having 12 Macks mining Ice all day long in pretty much complete safety like some streamer did (and then complained if someone poked him for spitting on OPSEC).

I guarantee all it would ecourage is a mass exodus from the game and any who stayed would just end up moving into the massive nullsec alliances and would still be mostly AFK.

No, I think it’s easier. The risks in both are negligible but in nullsec the rocks last significantly longer and there’s less input needed.

And how often do you have to swap targets? How often do your lasers run full cycle on mostly empty rock?

You can do the same in null. I think you really need to experience it to understand just how empty most of null is most of the time.

Which is like what, 2 full uncontested highsec ice anoms? All for income that wouldn’t even plex a single account.

I think our definitions of “absurd amounts of income” differs. To put it in context at the peak of my trading I was paying about 90b a month just to plex my trading accounts alone.

He wasn’t.

You are.

This is your answer for anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Like the Twitter Echo Chamber for Liberals.

This is you in a nutshell.

I disagree.

Well if they do it, let’s hope you’re right. I personally think you massively underestimate how many accounts exist just to operate in highsec.

As I can’t discuss :scissors: I can neither confirm nor deny this assertion. But I do know for a fact that :scissors: has :scissors: and :scissors: is aware of it.

Great, thanks for sharing that.

Which means you have clearly never mined Ice in Highsec. The Rocks last for like an hour per Mackinaw.

Yeah thank you, you have clearly never mined Ice in Highsec, the Rocks last AN HOUR per Mackinaw. You don’t switch targets. You simply clear your MininHold every 15 minutes.

Unfortunately you need to watch your Intel Channels and/or scout (you said that yourself!) because every little frig can tackle you and Filaments and Wormholes can make you get tackled in a few seconds. Not exactly the scenario I have in HighSec. Thats how miners get killed in 0.0 all the time. Not even couted that you would have to put your MiningChars into a goddamn 0.0 corp, paying rent or tax to someone you don’t like and follow the rules he makes. We were talking about “easy” gameplay, thats not easy compared to what I do.

You don’t get the point. You simply just don’t. It’s money earned basically afk. And especially for the noobs you claim to do your crusade for, its an enourmous amount of ISK.

Yeah, and I pay 300b per week to SkillInject my new troll accs which then scam other people, all in HighSec. I think i just beat you here. Someone in the topic want to come up with even bigger numbers to bloat?

Seriously, claiming personal trade profits being an indicator for how lucrative an area is compared to another is just outright stupid, because thats not repeatable for the average joe. And I bet all my Iskies that there is a HighSec trader somewhere that just laughs at your claimed numbers from 0.0 . -_-

Why does telling someone to calm down make it worse?

The phrase “calm down” is controlling, dismissive, and suggests a person’s feelings are invalid. It can also exacerbate anxiety. Apr 21, 2020

We all know this so you can stop being coy.

Says who?

Telling a child whose emotionally out of control to calm down, is effectively child abuse?

I call bull ■■■■.

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People’s feelings ARE invalid.

Only God’s love and Hilmar’s bank accounts matter and the jury is out on God

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I’m not going to manage other peoples emotions for them. It’s not my responsibility. It’s theirs. And to say otherwise just victimizes them.

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Amen.

Nor should you have to. May I ask, are you married?

If so, please tell your wife to “calm down” the next time she gets upset and let me know how that works out for you. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

Gaslighters may also convince their victims that they’re mentally unfit or too sensitive.

Calm down.

Great, another Aiko alt.

Calm down. Aiko is my alt, FYI

Tell you what princess, I’ll play this game.

The manner in which the words “calm down” are spoken matter.

Take my upset spouses hands, sit down and say, “I can see you are really upset. Let’s take a moment to calm down, breath and tell me what’s going on.

Has worked very well for both of us in the past.

Not sure how much of an ass you are to your spouse but I feel really sorry for them.

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I haven’t since the last set of changes, for sure, but that sounds like shockingly low yield.

Of course it’s the same scenario. All it takes is for a small group of gankers to stumble across you and they are going to pop your miner since a mack is a fairly soft target. The difference is it’ll probably take you days of mining from that alt to replace itself while in null it’s a couple of hours.

A proper null mining fleet would melt a scram frigate just FYI.

Oh no! A small amount of tax or rent in order to generate orders of magnitude more income!

Again, so is null mining.

That’s not what I’m pointing out though, I’m pointing out that your concept of what is “absurd amounts of income” comes from a position where you’ve not really seen actually absurd amounts.

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Yeah for sure, because there is a so-called “yield penalty” in HighSec. Or wait, its just because the Rocks are so damn big? Which you claimed would be a problem because of “switching targets” or “empty cycles” all the time. Things that simply don’t happen.

Looking at the number of Ice I have mined over the years compared to the 0 times I was blown up, that scenario seems to be fairly acceptable to me. Still way easier than mining in 0.0

It isn’t about income efficiency, but you simply don’t get this point.

Then why need Intel Channels and Scouts as you claimed?

Yeah sure, you have seen the light. Your personal income methods, wealth accumulation or whatever you claim to have or do are absolutely irrelevant.
All the different areas of the game, be it Highsec, Lowsec, 0.0 or WH space have always been compared by a rough estimate in ISK/h you can generate there as average joe with 1 ship. Be it Mining, Anos, Exploration, Missions or now Abyss. Everything beyond that is personal skill, knowledge, relations or whatever. And under these classical rules of evaluation, Highsec ISK generation is just way too high for the safety and convenience it offers. Highsec Income is FAR away from being “disproportional low” compared to lowsec or 0.0.