That’s true.
This thread is a constant source of entertainment. I just shake my head. Sometimes it’s a burst out laugh followed by a “OMG, these people!”
This thread should be entombed in all of its trolly gloriousness.
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And that’s why we’re all here!
Face it, were down to apx 10 trolls. The pcu is lower than when I started. I had a good run with no regrets! I hope you can all say the same…
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Nobody is ‘dragged’ into any chat. Eve provides the option of declining any chat…and, for that matter, of leaving if you do accept and it is then not to your liking. One is even able to block chat, etc, from people. Chat with anyone is entirely optional.
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This comment reply is the first actual issue that I leader of the Frostpacker\s agree with what you just typed.
gankers who drag gankees into chats to provoke them into responding
I am glad you see this as not being a personal attack with between the ganker and the gankee.
But where do we draw the line? Who first do we point the finger at when or if the gankee doesn’t register the playful side of the gank that took place? Where does it end?
It is though. You admitted you troll yourself:
You then bring up truly sad IRL things like suicide, “think of the children”, and keep harping on “all gankers are EULA violating griefers” which are all the lowest of the low. Like, really dude, can you not stick to good sportsmanship and keeping in-game stuff in-game? Or is your secret goal to get all gankers banned leaking into daylight?
I mean:
Followed by the really heinous:
I feel compelled to quote you because you’re a serial deleter-of-posts because you know you spew toxic 
. Do you truly not see any problems with your behavior?
What a ridiculous and outright evil accusation, they would NEVER do such a thing. How dare you.
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You’re doing Amarr Jebus work by quoting him so he can’t delete later 
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Lucas completely missed the fact I do my ganking on main because I’m a chad.
I’m ashamed at the poor quality of zkill detective work on this forum 
It’s a matter of 2 clicks to find a character’s concorded killmails via the trophy page of zkill.
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Nope, being entertained is not trolling.
Thanks for yet again making a post that tries to attack me rather than debating the subject.
I had zero intention of doing any detective work. I felt it was reasonable enough to assume someone fighting in favour of gankers was probably a ganker. It’s usually the case.
Make Hilmar richer
Ban ganking today.
Have YOU reported a griefer yet?
What attack the truth LOL.
Not really LOL.
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YOU ARE WRONG
Then why the hell we have asteroids , why we have manufacturing? Why we have moons? why we have PI ?
If the intention was for us to buy plex and buy ships with it to do PVP why we have all those resources in the first place?
From your perspective PVE should not exist and it should not be a thing in the game at all
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I didnt realise mining without swearing was impossible.
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Mining in lowsec and nullsec has additional layers because of the risks and rewards of being in easy PVP space. By and large these are good things.
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They make the mining experience more varied.
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They reward less AFK style gameplay.
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They make the mining performance more reflective of player skill and experience with setting up and defending their operation.
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They regulate the mining economy, by limiting mining operations to what it is possible for the users to reasonably defend.
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They make mining perform a very important part of the game’s PVP ecosystem - something generate fights over.
Mining and industry are just parts of a greater whole - so advocating to split them from the other parts of the game even more than they already are in highsec is antithetical to the core gameplay principles of Eve.
You’ve not really mined in sov null, huh? It’s easier than highsec and vastly more rewarding. Pretty much all it adds is the need for some intel channels and scouts.
I am confused. How is that “easier” than mining in HighSec? Don’t misunderstand me, but whenever I mine in HighSec, I just start the mining lasers on my Macks and then go watching Netflix, Youtube, Twitch or play a round of Warzone or whatever and when I check the EVE Clients every like 15 minutes they are full of Ice, which I then put into my Orca and repeat the Cycle. Sounds a lot easier to me than watching Intel Channels or having another Alt used as scout.
And no, I am not being ganked all the time, it is a complete myth that you cannot mine in peace in HighSec, I did so just yesterday for like 5 hours basically afk while watching my favourite streamer and not a single ganker even showed up. Maybe the whole magic trick ist just not to be in Halaima.
Btw, all of the above is reason enough for me to want Ice completely removed from HighSec or at least make it appear only in small scannable IceSigs. Its hilarious that this kind of “activity” even works and still generates ISK (quite a lot compared to the amount of clicks nessessary), the amounts of ISK generated by botfleets that do that all day long every day all around HighSec must be unimaginable.
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Because you don’t have to watch local for specific groups or characters, you just bomb out when anything pings. The income is so good that even if you get caught and lose some ships you’re almost always in profit anyway. It’s classic yield tanking.
When I say “scout” I literally mean a cloaked guy just sitting in a system. And sure, while you can’t go completely AFK and look at nothing for 15 minutes (or you can but there is a small risk if you’re not using one of the intel tools that makes sounds) you can just line up your intel and keep it in your line of sight while doing whatever else it is you’re doing. Most of that AFK time is going to be wasted though as laserer aren’t cycling.
Sure, in the right location. But most of the time the income is going to be completely pointless. You can only really make remotely reasonable income with ice and there’s usually a lot of competition for that.
I don’t think it should be removed but I’ve made the argument multiple times that locations should be randomised. It’s pretty silly to have bot fleets just be able to log in, strip an anom and then log back off waiting for the next one. Making them need to be scanned though is just a time sink that’s more likely to negatively impact solo miners than multibox fleets.
That said though, highsec income has been repeatedly gutted and is already disporportionately low compared to sov null even though they are comparable in safety.
I think all mining, PI and moon goo harvesting should be removed from high sec. Along with all level 3 and 4 missions and popping abyssal deadspace filaments of level rating 2 and greater.
Ganking and all forms of pvp should also be removed from high sec as well. Decrease the risk, decrease the reward.
Move all mining, moon harvesting, PI, higher level missions and filiments to low sec.
That would encourage more play in low sec and reward players for taking the riskier move to acquire materials there. It would also encourage less afk grinding
So we are talking about it is a lot more “efficient”, but not “easier”.
Easy is “undock → warp to belt → mine”. No intel tools, not scouts, no lists of people to watch for. You can do exactly that in HighSec, I do it all the time whenver I like to get some additional ISK while doing other stuff. One can even do a nice and healthy workout or clean up the house while mining in HighSec and just clear the MiningHold during the breaks. That you consider this “pointless” is funny somehow, because I just reprocessed a freighter load full of compressed Ice today, (9843 blocks) which got me roughly 1.3 billion ISK. All mined basically afk while doing other stuff. Not exactly what I would call “pointless”.