As in defended by something that has a chance of actually succeeding. Not just one guy manning the guns.
That is entirely up to the persons defending ! Your entire argument is ridiculous. If people choose to have stations that are easily defeatedâŚwhy should there be any surprise when they are ? We donât go around asking people to defend their structures as lightly as possibleâŚwe take whatâs on offer. Seriously, your argument is some of the most ass backwards âlogicâ I have seen.
Of course, you donât agree so my argument is ridiculous.
Iâm not saying itâs is a surprise that undefended structures are destroyed. Iâm saying that itâs happening because CCPs bad design has made it profitable to take down undefended structures and that alliances like yours take advantage of that design. Iâve even said that itâs not a bad/evil thing that you do take advantage of it, just that itâs not challenging gameplay.
My view is that higher rewards should come with higher risk and lower rewards with lower risk. So if you attack a structure that does little and that no one is able to realistically defend your reward should be practically zero, while if you are fighting a structure with high usage and a strong defensive force your reward should be much higher.
If people are putting up structures with no hope of defending them as all they have is a 5 man corpâŚin what way is that CCPâs fault ? Shall I blame CCP if I take on the gate camp at Kinakka with my Condor and get blown to hell ? Shall I wail that its not fair and my puny Condor ought to be able to zap 4 Tornados ?
Eve is not supposed to be âfairâ. It is about gaining the skills, people, and so on to minimise the unfairness. This in some way necessitates noobs starting at an âunfair advantageââŚbut then being a noob is not something anyone escapes !
Itâs not CCPâs fault that small corps are trying to put up structures to have something of theirs in a sandbox game. It is CCPâs fault that a few years after introducing citadels they added an NPC bought and sold item that has the specific purpose of making empty structures worthwhile to blow up, which also had a side-effect of making small groups running citadels profitable targets.
I donât know how I can say that in a way that you will understand but every time youâve tried to present what you think my argument is, youâve got it wrong.
Funny how you say this when you are the one benefiting from the low-risk profit youâre defending.
Id like to point out for the record that you two are going way off topic. The point was my alliance the SRS are baddies and we should hate them. So lets back to hating on the SRS.
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Nobodyâs forcing these small groups to place undefended structures in space. Of course they are going to be targets. Why should they be any more safe than me leaving my Raven at the gate camp at Ahbazon ? I would not expect to return next day and find it still there.
A few percent of my total worth is from bashing stations. I think I probably made more when I was trading clone tagsâŚwhich with a fast align Sunesis is practically risk free.
I get the impression, you both will not agree to anything. So why continue the arguing?
However, out of curiosity, I have a honest question. Take no offense, really I have absolutely no knowledge about global political ties because I evaded nullsec alliances as much as I could over the years. I probably canât name 10 sov alliances or 3 CSM members, so in this case its a honest ânoob questionâ:
Why do the large HighSec Wardeccers donât attack the Perimeter Keepstar, the other big Market Fortizars or the Medialabs POCO Cartel if âfightsâ are their main inspiration? Because all of these would probably be well defended by other organized fleets, so great fights would be guaranteed and probably a huge amount of loot (and prestige!) if you win the fights?
66 members. Iâm quaking in my boots.
make it 69 and I wonât hate them
Like I said earlier, it is probably not in anyoneâs interest to blap structures that are widely used by everyone. Some structures are invaluable ( if expensive ) sources of items that save me having to go all the way to Dodixie or Jita. There are some player stations where I actually buy and set up my ships rather than doing so at Jita.
Whereas a structure in the middle of nowhere is likely serving no-oneâs interests except the holding corp.
unless you offer some market to other players
When did I say they were being forced?
Only because CCP implemented cores that are brought from and sold to NPC that specifically cannot be removed from structures and drop 100% of the time. Prior to that mechanic being added wardec corps didnât profit from tearing down undefended structures owned by tiny corps.
Iâm just interested in the debate. Itâs also amusing to watch people need to twist and misrepresent everything I say just so they can find a reason to be against it.
My whole argument here is: CCP implemented a feature to clear space junk. That had an unintended consequence of making it profitable to shoot structures owned by small groups by breaking the risk/reward ratio, and that in my opinion, thatâs a bad thing because small groups being able to create something they own in a sandbox is a good thing for engagement. Being forced to join some giant blob to survive is bad.
Because they canât. Altara may go on about it being because the of the usefulness of the structure but it really comes down to them not being able to survive an actual defense. If they could guarantee there would be no defense fleet theyâd not hesitate to attack it. Iâm sure Iâve seen them take down public refineries and other freeports.
They arenâtâŚso whatâs your problem ? As I have now said several trillion times, it is entirely down to the corp if they want to place an un-defended structure.
Great ! Given that I have spent over 2 billion on doctrine ships for the fleetâŚits nice to get some of that back. AgainâŚwhatâs the problem ?
You twist words every which way, make deliberately subjective and vague statements and then demand âthatâs not what I saidâ. Is there some actual point to all this deliberate contrarianism or are you just bored.
Read my post, I made my position clear.
No, you misunderstand. What is your problem ? As in what about it personally affects youâŚas you have never owned a station, only once ever bashed one, and yet are somehow an expert ( as always ) on how everyone else is affected by everything !
Whenâs the last time you posted a post from actual experience rather than inventing what others experience ? I post my actual experience here. It is the one thing I am qualified to comment on. Not that of others.
Why does it need to personally affect me for me to have a view on it?
Though technically poor design decisions affect all of us.
Well, I would not accept views on how to drive a car from someone who had never driven one.
Except you have no idea what Iâve done. Youâre making accusations that I have no experience because once again you are attacking me rather than discussing the topic.
Okay okay lets get back to the topic were everyone here gives me isk for a station for my corp