I see what you mean. But that is only the case if you want to prove an actual cause. And sorry, but no one was talking about that.
Yeah but that is not the only thing the data says. It also says that only < 2% of all new players get suicide ganked. Don’t tell me you completely ignored that part and that was the actual issue…
So if I claim that “suicide ganking is an issue for players < 15 days” and then I find out that
only 2% get actually suicide ganked
of those who do get ganked the retention rate is higher
then IT IS FALSIFIED. Because a claim ALWAYS implies some things and if I claim that something is an issue then I would find that:
a sufficient part of those players actually encounters the thing I claim is a problem
on those who encounter it it manifests the way I claim
And the claim is false on BOTH accounts. And no one cares what the hidden variables are. Things can be shown to be false without actually understanding the mechanics behind it.
You were in the first quote I made of your posts (the one with “in fact”).
Affirming that something DOES (statistically) something is affirming a (statistical) causation.
How is it even related to the topic ? Did CCP say how many of them are alts ? I can’t remember anything in relation with players being alts, yet the OP specifically talks about people not being alts.
Which means that
is also irrelevant to the topic.
and YET this does not prove anything, event if it was relevant.
Again, the data extracted by CCP does not show anything AT ALL.
Thus it can’t be used as a proff of something is false, besides “CCP did not show a correlation”.
You AGAIN use it wrongly :
does not invalidate
because it invalidates NOTHING.
Read my example of drugs and catching an new disease again. Well, at least once, seems you did not bother to read it yet.
No, I stated a simple observation. I did not claim that this is prove for anything. I already told you that.
If I remember correctly they made an effort to exclude alts. But that is not the point.
No, it was the whole point about what I was talking about. Op made a similar claim, that is why I posted the video where CCP addresses the claim.
Again, I’m not talking about proving something. I’m talking about falsifying a claim which is something different and which Is what CCPs study clearly does.
I don’t have to prove something to falsify a claim. The data presented by CCP is absolutely sufficient to refute the statement about suicide ganking made by the op and countless others.
But the good thing is that the don’t know it’s a recurring subscription! Players are told they just ADD GAME TIME. In the defense of CCP’s complete lack of intrest in people giving them money, they do explain it on the payment page… Kinda like Jita contracts
Yes please tell me some more about what the things mean I say. Next time you are confused about something I write why not just ask? I did not talk about prove, I talked about an observation.
As mentioned they made an effort to exclude them.
Please let me know if you still have a problem understanding why the claim is falsified.
Depend a bit on if you are actually interested in what someone means and want a honest discussion about it or if you just want to score cheap points by attacking a strawman.
again, nobody is able to convey what you mean, but you.
if you do it badly, that’s your fault. YOU are the one trying to score cheap points by not accepting being wrong.
Data of accounts from what year again?
I don’t think ganking alone is making people go away, it’s much more than that.
People need to trust no one. And people need to trust a corporation that will teach them the game mechanics. That’s hard.
You have just demonstrated that you have a really narrow view of what scientific methods there are. Somehow you seem to think that knowledge can only be gained by proving something. I’m sure that is what they told you for the field of work you are in and may be relevant there, despite the fact that most scientist would never even use the word prove outside of mathematics.
Not every scientific field has the same possibilities and in some observations is all they have and still they manage to gain knowledge.
Formulating an affirmation that can’t be proven nor shown false, is not science.
Science by definition means the ability to check if an affirmation is correct in a given context.
“What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”. You should have learnt that in school.
If you can’t accept you were wrong here, means you have no idea how science works.
Maybe you should read your own statements. All I did was talking about how the claim about suicide ganking by the OP is falsified, yet you constantly talked about proving something which is not the point.
Tell that to the OP, he is the one with the claims. I simply said that they are already refuted and linked the video. The fact that you came after my sentence and ignored the OPs blatantly false claims shows clearly what your agenda is here.
What I did was talking about how your arguments are wrong.
You expressed that CCP data show, indicate, or falsify an idea, which is wrong.
I told you exactly that, every time you repeatedly affirm the same false thing.
You are misleading people on purpose. Your are using fallacious arguments to try to prove your opinion.
THEN when I point it out, you are resolving to cheap attacks, that is ad hominem.
And you start telling me science is not about proving things, while this is the definition of science.
You should recreate a char and name it IMA_FACEPALM_YOU .
Tell what ? He is the one expressing his opinion. He is not distorting CCP data to make it seem real. He is entitled to have and express his opinion, just as you are entitled to have and express yours, wheter it differs or goes along - as long as you stop lying to people on purpose.
