No Downtime Vol. 2 Feedback Thread

[Ramona_McCandless]

So when you said

@Kimberly_Brooke

They don’t get it - we miners are also industrialists who BUILD the ships the others suicide-gank in.

You were lying because you dont build ganking ships any more, or rather when you do you set your price so uncompetitively high gankers wont buy them?

@Kimberly_Brooke

stopped selling them when they market under 800K ISK.

@Kimberly_Brooke

it’s the combat battle cruisers I get blown up by, still, though, I never sell my ships so low that they make for cheap suicide-gank machines.

So when you said

@Kimberly_Brooke

I’ve yet to be ganked by a Catalyst or any T1 destroyer or frigate I have prints for

You basically said that your first quote in this response was a lie.

Not that it matters, as gankers either build their own ships or buy them from industrialists like me that dont give a crap what the ship is used for as long as I get the money.

Im going to ignore the part where you talk about CODE. because you quote things rthen admit you “paraphrased” them, so really if you cant be bothered quoting something, its just you saying your opinion on it.

@Kimberly_Brooke

If you have ever read James’ manifesto

I have. Its a guide on how not to get ganked.

@Kimberly_Brooke

players who follow this code are actually working against the interests of CCP…

1. No, they learn how not to get ganked
2. They arent CCP employees, so why should they care about CCP’s interests.

@Kimberly_Brooke

do not assume I am supplying the ideology I despise with the ships they use.

Why not when

@Kimberly_Brooke

I have no control over who buys them

TBH Your righteous indignation about ganking in a game tells me more about how scared you are of being ganked than anything else.

[Kimberly_Brooke]

@Ramona_McCandless

Im going to ignore the part where you talk about CODE. because you quote things rthen admit you “paraphrased” them, so really if you cant be bothered quoting something, its just you saying your opinion on it.

I’m not going to re-write several paragraphs just to summarize what those paragraphs conclude.

Maybe I wasn’t clear when I mentioned being ganked - I’ve been ganked while NOT mining and when I was mining.
I said I had never been ganked while mining by the ships I build, so I do not sell CODE players the ships they use against me while I am mining.

CODE is not about making people better players - look at the killboards and these code people have nothing but soft-target kills (at least the ones I have seen).

… and if we are going down the road to misleading statements (you call them lies)… so when you told me to stop building the ships CODE uses to gank me… and then you say

@Ramona_McCandless

as gankers either build their own ships or buy them from industrialists like me that dont give a crap what the ship is used for as long as I get the money

You are admitting that your statement that I need to stop building said ships is moot.
The irony is you say “as long as I get the money”… and you support the CODE playstyle by thinking it actually makes players be better players, yet the first section of the CODE manifesto is about how much James despises players who only care about making ISK and how those players must be eliminated from playin EVE.
Hmm… you seem to support those who would love to see you removed from the game. Interesting.

[Ramona_McCandless]

@Kimberly_Brooke

I’m not going to re-write several paragraphs just to summarize what those paragraphs conclude.

You could just copy and paste the relevent parts. Assuming there were any.

@Kimberly_Brooke

I said I had never been ganked while mining by the ships I build

So as long as its not you, its ok for your ships to be used in ganking? Your own philosophy on this makes little sense for someone who claims the code is some kind of evil doctrine.

@Kimberly_Brooke

CODE is not about making people better players

And yet I havent lost a mining ship since I started following the lessons inherent in the original minerbumping posts. Wierd coincidence.

@Kimberly_Brooke

You are admitting that your statement that I need to stop building said ships

What statement? Can you quote where I said that? I think youll find its you who has said that so far.

@Kimberly_Brooke

we miners are also industrialists who BUILD the ships the others suicide-gank in

See?

@Kimberly_Brooke

you support the CODE playstyle by thinking it actually makes players be better players, yet the first section of the CODE manifesto is about how much James despises players who only care about making ISK and how those players must be eliminated from playin EVE.

And yet I havent been eliminated because I DONT DO WHAT THOSE CODE KILLED IN THOSE DAYS DID. How are you not understanding this simple point?

@Kimberly_Brooke

you seem to support those who would love to see you removed from the game. Interesting.

Yes! Do you even understand the concept of competition?

[Sgt_Ocker]

@Ramona_McCandless

Not my fault if he tries to mine where the ore isnt

You mean “where the ore Should be”? This issue came about due to a (quite normal sadly) lack of communication from CCP
If CCP were up front about the known issues with their little “test” the lack of asteroid belts would have been known and not become an issue.
This is just CCP continuing along the same path of lazy, inconsiderate, halfassed, poorly planned development it always has followed.
Nothing new, those who’ve been around for a while are used to it.

Take the next extended DT for example. CCP at its finest, adding to an already over burdened, messy UI by simply duplicating something that has been available via a very good 3rd party app for years.

[BruceLee_Xadi]

I doubt any of this is about CCP not planning, and is in reality about what they are planning and have been doing, reduce isk increase plex sales.

[Sgt_Ocker]

@BruceLee_Xadi

reduce isk

Hmmm, looking at most recent MER, player isk is increasing.

@BruceLee_Xadi

increase plex sales.

I hope they succeed with this, flood the market. Cheaper plex for isk is always good.

[Steve_Ronuken]

@Sgt_Ocker

If CCP were up front about the known issues with their little “test” the lack of asteroid belts would have been known and not become an issue.

CCP were upfront about it?

[Sgt_Ocker]

Were they?
There was nothing in the blog about CCP knowing asteroid belts wouldn’t respawn. It wasn’t mentioned until it was bug reported, then it was with a “yes we new that would happen”.

[Steve_Ronuken]

No Downtime - Again!

The regular asteroid belts do not get replenished.

It’s in the forum thread. From before the event.

[Ramona_McCandless]

Again, should be right where I mined it on the one day lazier people couldnt.

Their loss my gain.

Thats how this game is supposed to work, even if CCP make a mistake, its my job to try and profit off that mistake vOv

[Sgt_Ocker]

It was, as a reply, NOT as a “known issue”.
It was obviously something CCP were aware of when the blog was written but failed to mention.
My dog communicates better than staff at CCP do with paying customers.

[Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras]

again, that was BEFORE downtime happened…

[Sgt_Ocker]

Irrelevant.
It was a known issue that should have been in the blog as such.
The fact it ONLY got mentioned in response to a player question is just poor communication, something CCP is famous for.
CCP has never been even half decent when it comes to customer relations, in fact it is something they simply suck at.