Can we see any of this? Some of us are gonna suffer pretty severely because of this change, which heavily favors clueless rich people. At least let me see the evidence that this is for the Greater Good and not for spodbrain rorq pilots who’ve been mining for 5 years and don’t know that scamming is legal in Eve because they’ve never encountered PvP before.
Karitan’s point is that exposing new pilots to hardship isn’t necessarily a disservice in Eve. There’s precedent; CCP’s own statistics have shown that being ganked as a newbie INCREASES player retention. This is probably because it clues new people in on the fact that the Eve world is alive and vibrant, and there’s more going on than their asteroid and their mining laser. Scamming someone can have a similar effect, especially if it turns newbies on to the scamming lifestyle, which is a great way to get ahead of the game even when you don’t have the skillpoints for a krab super.
Also, most newbies are irl adults. They might not know what’s going on in Eve but they’re not gonna be literally traumatized for life because someone was mean to them in a video game.
In a broad sense, I’m concerned that CCP seems to be nerfing asymmetric income sources, and high-tier income sources that don’t rely on being in a nullbloc that can protect your 30-alt rorqmining fleet. Are there other scamming nerfs, or major trading nerfs (like removing asset safety) in the offing?
New player groups like Karmafleet encourage noobs to go to null right away; while its prolly a kick offense in most groups to scam their own, noobs could just as easily get scammed by anybody, in NPC null stations. “I got an amazing deal but I can’t dock in your citadels, swing by [npc station] and i’ll set you up.”
New players deserve to experience EVE to the fullest. This means they can lose their assets in many different ways - permanently. Moreso if they want to credit-card warrior their way into super-capital ships.
Another thing I wonder about is the way it can be disabled. I still have all the ‘are you sure’ pop ups on because I am sure I am going to screw up something sooner or later, but don’t most people turn off these helpful warnings for expedience? If so, won’t these rich players potentially be just as vulnerable to scamming, given enough time to become annoyed by the confirmation window they don’t think they need?
Most players won’t realize they can disable it until the moment they use it. Even if this becomes the case, you can hardly blame anyone else, if, like setting your safety to red, you get yourself concorded in highsec.
I have no vested interest in making excuses for people who turn off the warning. For those people who think the trade scam is an integral part of eve, though, and that it primarily targets more wealthy players, I am saying it seems plausible the trade scam will still work on the intended target audience once they become annoyed with the extra click required to make a trade.
You should instead reimburse them, if you feel like they’re too young, instead of removing something that makes this game different from others and causes an emotional experience. Shielding players, especially new players, from experiences of ANY kind is a bad thing to do. You can have the server alert a GM when someone deemed too young is being directly traded with an ISK amount that does not come close to what the estimated value of the goods is.
so are you saying for CCP to remove the isk from the scammer and give back to the scammed or for CCP to generate free isk becasue someone made a mistake out of ignorance? either way a confirmation window for trades isnt that big of a deal except to you greedy scammers
So much salt from people whose risk-free method of getting isk will now be gone. You’re worse than afk ratters and miners who quit over the blackout, maybe even the same people.
Getting ganked is like riding a bike and falling when you hit a pothole. Scams that work due to defeciencies whith the UI are more like getting on a bike and not realizing the bike seats randomly disappear once or twice a year.
People are more likely to get back on a bike and learn to avoid pothole but may decide to put the bike with the randomly disappearing seat back in the garage.
The real bad people here are those who ignore that this is about the emotional experience, which you don’t care about unless it’s a happy experience, which makes you rather weird human beings.
You deliberately ignore the bolded part in my post, because all you have is your hate that’s making you see your own hate in others. You’re nothing but hypocrites and not worthy being considered fellows worth talking to. So unless you prove that you are more than that, I suggest you stop even trying talking to me like that, otherwise I will make sure your hate increases significantly.
That’s been revisited, and is a trifle misleading.
Being ganked is an inflection point in retention statistics.
If you’re ganked, and stick around, you’re more likely to stick around for longer. This is what the stats show. There’s a survivor bias.
If you’re ganked, and leave, well, you’re gone.
And when you’re ganked, a fair number of people just leave.
This is actually part of what the ‘grief counselling’ thing is about. It’s the major loss which, if you ‘survive’ it, means (statistically) you’re more likely to stick around. So they’re going to try and help people survive it. Let them know why they died and so on. Provide the social support that many newbies don’t have at that time.
tbh scamming new beginners that play for first time should be also bannable offense because one person lose something very early and get so upset and tell others about how eve is bad game… we want to avoid this so this trade window scam fix is okay…
problem is on another side of stick,WARDECS and recruitment… there are ongoing in area of rookie systems slaughterhouse aka someone inviting the very new beginner players into corporation tease them to undock and then they are murdered by way stronger,experienced war target,new players often lose their basic ships with basic equipment sush civilian data/relic analizer while we can board-new-corvettes in station we wont get new data/relic civilian variant and new plyers that have starting valled of 50 thousands will be unable to afford even starting gear. forgetting the career agents where they need to have some investment to go throught all missions… in my opinion war declarations and war effects in rookie systems should be reworked to prevent NEW PLAYERS from being griefed by sudden wars…
schematic is easy corp A starts recruitment and invite new players, then corp B declare war on corp A,new players WILL not know fully what is going on,the wardec will be their first experience,most new players stick in their starter systems for few days before exploring so corporation B will be able to obtain multiple kills in starting systems,the corporation B will not profit from this war because its not about profit but about kills…
trading window scam fixed thats okay but there are bigger issues that make new players quit.
I would worry that using support tickets as a metric would be biased in favor of new players as more experienced players would know that scamming is allowed (even if they were ignorant of this particular scam) and would not bother filing a ticket.
