Off-Topic Thread vol. 2

I begin lying by expressing concern with ARC’s planning and then explicitly expressing my own point of view regarding the true intent of the operations? Did I even make a factual statement there?

Come on, now, I am sure you can do better than this.

Oh, Arrendis darling. You wound me.

Whores charge money.

And here I was sure Alterari had to pay you for all that lip service.

1 Like

That sounds as extreme degrees of ‘Poshlost’.
Aren’t you guys fighting against ‘Poshlost’?

1 Like

Don’t be jealous just because our trysts with the redhead exotic dancers exclude you, Arrendis. :wink:

Exotic dancers are quite huge Poshlost as well!

Oh, trust me, when trysts involve Alterari, there’s nothing to be jealous of.

2 Likes

Maybe if you stopped smuggling a Naglfar, you’d be less of an asshole. Instead of criticizing other people’s entertainment that isn’t hurting anyone, why not go do something useful like shoot pirates?

What are you on about? Too high on mindflood to dissolve your grey cells completely?

Entertainment like… disgracing themselves in public with highly indecent and shameful activities? Especially if said activities contradict their own rhetorics? (Extripation of Poshlost, etc?)

Actually, I do a lot of useful stuff, just please don’t consider me to be some sort of a cop to chase pirates. I am a soldier and I fight enemies of the State.

I could, for example, go shoot down some Triglavian invaders and those who dared to collaborate with them. I hope that will make you happy.

You do like some, how you call it? “proving”, don’t you? It will be interesting to see what else you can do except of wobbling your tongue. I will be excited to meet you in space.

The Nag up her rear also prevents her from understanding you.

1 Like

It may be worth noting, Strike Commander, that ‘Poshlost’ may not translate the same for you, as it does for other capsuleers, or even for the Collective, based heavily on one’s native tongue, as even the widely used universal translators many of us have struggle with finding native equivalents to the meaning.

Language is and likely always will be an extensively complex structure, and each one is immensely flexible and rigid at the same time, and trying to apply your specific native tongue equivalent translation of meaning over to a concept with difficulty being parsed into any contemporary language is ill-advised, as it leads to misunderstandings and issues later.

Actually, now that I think about it, what is your native tongue? Suukuuvesta Corporate Parlance substrate of Caldanese, or one of the more obscure Achur dialects maybe? This is a question out of legitimate curiosity.

At this point it seems to be some sort of welcoming ritual for new capsuleers on this board to try to reason with her.

1 Like

Now I am curious what sobornost/poshlost translate to different people. My implants tend to render them as andesh/ohnesh, Sebiestor concepts for that which is and is not in accordance with one’s essence and with Fate. Those sometimes translates as [proper / improper, as in, about conduct, manners, or thinking] in Amarrian, but that does not really convey the meaning.

(I’ve told the system to just stop translating the concept-pair, as I fear using concepts I am very familiar with from a completely different context will serve to mislead. But it keeps on resetting.)

I set mine for contextual translations after some of ARC’s research was published, and it’s basically the same. I mean, they come across as ‘conforming’ / ‘deviant’ basically. Which exact word the system chooses in each instance varies, but that’s the overall feeling I get. If it fits the Trig’s agenda, it’s ‘sobornost’, and if it contradicts that agenda, it’s ‘poshlost’.

So maybe ‘proper’ / ‘improper’… but only with regard to the Triglavian agenda?

1 Like

To be Sobornost is to give up your self interest for the good of the whole, of the community. It is to be selfless and do what is right for all. To pursue the greater good.

To be Poshlost, in contrast, is to be self-centered, egotistical and vulgar. It is to embody a lack of grace and damage the greater good for your own individual benefit.

As I see them:
Sobornost - Unity.
Poshlost - indecency / lewdery.

1 Like

I set my implants to stop trying to translate the terms as well. It probably does more harm than good to try to approximate a translation from any non-Triglavian language or culture.

I basically see “Sobornost” as “willing to submit to the will of the Collective.”
Whereas I basically see “Poshlost” as “in opposition to the will of the Collective.” Possibly doesn’t require direct opposition; simply not following their will may be enough to be declared “Poshlost.”

3 Likes

Except we haven’t seen that at all. We’ve seen capsuleers who set aside ego to band together for the good of the whole of New Eden be described as ‘poshlost’. So there’s definitely a bias there. It’s not enough to be ‘pro-comunity’, you have to be ‘pro-Trig community’.

And let’s face it, none of you ‘I want the shiny toys’ jackwagons was selfless. The current ‘burn Pochven’ nonsense proves that. It’s all about what you want, and what you beg, pray, and demand the Trigs do for you.

Spout all your platitudes, but your actions make it clear who you’re really trying to look out for.

2 Likes

Then you should be able to answer two simple questions you keep running away from, oh cowardly merc:

  1. What’s your pay grade?
  2. How much salary do you draw every month from the State?

That’s what I thought.

Even as you run away from those two questions, yet again

1 Like

Did you run out of your ductape to play with? Shall I send you another roll or two?