The “inevitability” you believe in and fervently wish for is that my way of life is ended and my gods and spirits forgotten, replaced by yours and yours alone, serving the Empire and the Empire alone.
Just because you are nice about it does not make it a nice thing to wish for.
At least those who come at us with weapons are honest about their purpose.
We are well aware that it is a thing. What you seem to very vigorously refuse to acknowledge is that from many perspectives, it’s an evil thing.
You wish me to voluntarily have my gods cease to exist.
Yet you object to Arsia’s voluntarily changing paths to those of my people.
You are probably correct that nothing productive comes from continuing this.
Describes apostasy quite well, when one thinks so freely– it is often best to consider your thoughts carefully before giving voice to them.
All the other nonsense you spouted aside, somebody else literally posted in that thread suggesting that I was insincere in my current loyalties. How the ■■■■ do you expect me to respond to them?
It’s fine if the Amarr attack me right and left all day, but me responding to it is just forbidden.
People say that my faith and loyalties in the time before my defection were weak. Tthis is likely true, because anything built on lies is absolutely weak. But the weakness shown by those aghast that an enemy threw a party on a certain day or with a certain theme is far more than I ever had.
Welcome to EM. Did no one warn you?
Don’t worry. I knew what I signed up for.
However, even as you yourself make clear: they simply don’t address the issue of faith. They do not object. So in that regard, you’re demonstrating that Elsebeth is right: it’s fine to post support of the Amarr God, but posting objections gets people clutching their pearls about how rude and uncivilized you are.
Yes, it does. It is by definition advocacy of the utter annihilation of all other cultures and systems of belief—or non-belief. Advocating the Reclaiming is advocating an assault on others’ way of life, and their identities. The Reclaiming, as presented to us many times over by your betters, has no allowances for ‘they listened, they considered, they said ‘no thank you’, so that’s that’. The unbeliever is not to be offered the Reclaiming, it is something they will be compelled to accept… or they’ll be removed from existence.
And no, pointing that out is not ‘rude’, either, especially in the context of a discussion of what can and cannot be discussed. If anything, denying it, and insisting that advocating the destruction of trillions of peoples’ way of life (or, failing that, their lives) is not by necessity combative… that is rude, and insulting. Further, no, weighing in uninvited on a conversation taking place in a public forum is also not rude.
Imagine how you would feel about the statement ‘The Amarr Faith must be completely wiped out’. Because that statement is what you are saying about every other way of life, every time you make a public statement in support of the Reclaiming.
It is easier to interact in good faith when one was not subjugated and mistreated. When one experiences the wonders that the Amarr are capable of, it tends to make relations easier, when one experiences the horrors the Amarr are capable of, relations tend to become a little more than hostile.
I agree with the false equivalence, the Amarr are more than the sum of the parts and the faith is bigger than the subjugation aspect of the reclaiming.
To those that experienced the consequences of the violent part however, it may not only be easier to equate one to another, sometimes it is the only possible thing to do.
Except nobody’s said that. The idea that someone can voluntarily come to the Amarr faith is completely independent of the idea that someone who chooses to abandon it should be condemned. But then, you seem pretty desperate to avoid acknowledging that while people can come to the Amarr faith voluntarily, anyone who chooses to actively reject it—whether previously a member of the faith or not—must eventually be destroyed, by divine mandate.
Which, you know, means that advocating the faith is advocating the destruction of anyone who doesn’t join, even if they’re currently the Empire’s temporary allies.
Was not the free thought in question.
If you wish to grasp the point, my advice would be to ponder whether it is more seemly for a subject of Holy Amarr to chart their own path by perceived merit; or to observe the virtues of the Rite as they cleave to the path that has been set for them.
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You know, when you make comments like this absent context and without clarifying pronouns, regardless what mysterious knowledge you possess, you just sound really off to the rest of us.
Now imagine how you look, flappin’ yer face at people you don’t know, on subjects you’re blatantly ignorant of.
Thank you for this very insightful clarification.
I have to admit, given that ‘the rest of us’ have the context he lacks, his comment is pretty funny… just not for the reasons he thinks.
A not unfamiliar attitude.
Clearly you read the question, though it is possible you misunderstood the subtext; depending on audience or convenience Ms Raske is a Khanid holder, the mistress (asserting all the status of a wife) of a Sarumite holder, an ambiguously Angel Cartel affiliated socialite— and now, if the offence is sincere a tribal Minmatar of one stripe or another.
There was no speculation of exile, it was simple incredulity.
Yes yes, just another talking head sitting in station.
Come back when you do something that doesn’t involve simply summarizing the actions of other pilots, such as leading pilots in combat, or anything else noticeable that make people outside the Alliance Tournament know who you are.
Will I see you undocked?
This cuts both ways Mizhir. If we’re all going to justify our objective worth by our degree of involvement in the achievements we choose to pursue, then this is all going to get rather tiresome rather quickly. You will see my Alliance in the AT, but you will not see me. Nevertheless, I will be watching, and I do indeed hope that your contributions to orchestrating the event are more thoughtful and organized that your somewhat disappointing contributions here.
I am merely commenting on the plausibility of those claims that most directly concerns me. Maybe you could also start from the Holder parts and not jump to questioning anyone’s tribal status?
Indeed, a curious set of supposed affiliations to be held simultaneously by one who questions the reality of Amarr militia vessels killing Minmatar militia vessels - an act simply too egregious and unlikely to be accepted out of hand.