What the hell does that even mean?
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âDark Amarr,â is a slur that refers to Garkehâs formerly rebellious kingdom, not to the Khanid race.
The Reclaiming of Athra took centuries, and those who allied with us were treated well.
The defeat of the Tribes, as well as the other Unchallenged Era conquests, also involved overtures to their leadership to submit early in the conquest, resulting in the Ammatar and the upper echelons of the Niâkunni.
That situation in that era also is not analogous as the NiâKunni and Minmatar were not allies in a time of war against a larger threat and Amarr was operating under very different doctrines in those years than we have been guided towards for the last few centuries.
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Right. Because the Khanid identity has survived so totally independently outside of the Khanid Kingdom.
Yes, it did. But it wasnât achieved by patiently waiting for the rest of the planet to willingly convert, was it? It was achieved by bloody conquest.
Oh, totally. You guys showed up with kind words and helpful entreaties, and totally didnât launch a massive, multi-planet invasion and program of abductions first, and then begin telling folks like the Nefantar⌠whatâs that line? Stand and die, kneel and live, or some such?
âOverturesâ with a gun to your victimsâ heads are neither patient, nor peaceful. And you know better than to attempt such dissembly, Lord Lokâri.
You mean âvery different doctrines in those years than we have since we ran face-first into the Jove and another large power we canât steamrollâ. Can you point to anything that would indicate that the Empire would not have continued with those policies had they not encountered the Gallente, or that it would be at all hesitant to resume them, if the opportunity presented itself?
Youâre not nearly stupid enough to fail to understand, Aldrith.
Yes. It has.
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You know better than that, Gaven. Whatâs survived over the millennia is the Khanid-as-Amarrâs-Enforcers culture. Do they still pray to their original gods, or tell the stories of them? Celebrate ways the Amarr would consider heresy? Bow to none except their own leaders?
Or has their culture been remade in the image of their masters, with elements that offended tender Amarr sensibilities suppressed so many centuries ago that now they exist only in the records of their suppressors?
Dude-ette, have you been tâ poor Ariaâs hangar lately? Yaks, thousands and thousands of yaks and crates nâ crates of fermented horse milk as some sort of wierd courting tradition by that Khanid, Nauplius. If that doesnât offend tender amarr sensibilities, i am not sure what it is!
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I mean, youâre not wrong, but I think we can all agree that boy is⌠âspecialâ.
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This is a gross oversimplification. The Minmatar people have proven time and time again their willingness to hop into bed with the Federation. This is the single largest barrier to improving relations with the State, and so long as the Republic remains the Federationâs puppets, or at least sons, they will be a threat to our security.
I have stated my opinion regarding the Empire previously and see no reason to repeat it. I will only add that your exclusive focus on the Amarr will gain you no ground unless you address Minmatar-Caldari relations at the same time.
Some of the reasons they have chosen to cuddle with the Frogs are quite pitiable. We Caldari understand them all too well. In recent decades, it does appear the Republic is drifting slowly away from their new masters, but still the strings remain.
Seriously, Arrendis, you need a better hobbyâŚ
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You never tire of tangents and putting words in peopleâs mouths, do you? No, you see we are quite aware of the mutually beneficial relationship, to the point where most of us have destroyed combined Amarr and Caldari fleets slave-raiding in our territories. Everyone is quite aware that the State would have long-since fallen in their conflict with the Federation without the Amarr, and the Amarr have benefitted hugely from the trade and tech exchanges with the State.
This is not something anyone requires âevidenceâ of. Itâs there for all to see, and no one has argued against it being so, no matter how much you wish to present it that way.
We speak cynically of Empire-State relations because we know it is a temporary convenience and necessity, no different from the Federation-Republic relation. A bid to maintain a balance that doesnât lead to standing alone against one or more of the other powers in New Eden. It has zero bearing on our âideologiesâ and it certainly would require a weak-minded person to try and dress it up all pretty instead of simply acknowledging it for what it is.
Is it truly so hard to simply deal with reality as it is? The Empire intends to take over everything, including the State. That is it. There is no more argument or âideologyâ or anything else being said. It is the simple truth. When, how and with what result is not really the point. The point is simply that of the four nations, one is a greater threat to all than the rest.
Are you truly so weak willed that you canât stand for this simple truth, spoken of so fervently by even yourself? Are you so fearful of what this means that you must dress it up in all manner of tangents, strawmen, windmills to tilt at and other obfuscation so you can pretend it is not so?
Take a cue from the finer specimens on your side. Perhaps Aldiebooâs squeeze would be a good choice to emulate:
Have some style, some class, and some principle, and stop making excuses.
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I have one, but sheâs busy. 
For years there has been a strand of thought that the cultural and political similarities between the State and the Republic could lay the foundation for increased cooperation. While I understand the real-politic that forces the State to ally with the Empire, and the Republic with the Federation, I see no reason why either should shun cooperation with the other.
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Is this anything more than empty wind? Will our historical and cultural similarities prevent you from showing up in our space at the beck of your Gallente puppetmasters? Or is it merely a vague feeling?
Not sure what two empires you are referring to, but with current politics and alliances it takes all 4 empires including the Amarr for peace outside the pendulum, and a pendulum created by Minmater terrorists, The Elders, which were funded by the Federation and the Minmatar cheered on, broke ranks and helped, and did nothing about.
I am certain that had the Elders been more successful that your non conquest empire would have been looking at some conquest.
But lets stick with the line that the Minmatar do not preach conquest, nor do they have the power or ability to perform conquest and therefore proves they do not want or would ever want to partake in conquest. They will rather just cheer on Federation funded Minmatar terrorists.
I believe this was also when the Caldari launched an invasion of conquest and was successful, also there was later an invasion by the Federation, of conquest, to take it back.
The only times I have ever flown in Caldari Space was for either matters of commerce, or to support the State Navy in the defense of its systems.
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My apologies. I did not intend to question your honor. I was speaking more generally concerning the Tribal Liberation Force, and my temper made me hasty.
Our people do have many similarities, but my point is that this alone does not present a catalyst for political action. It must start somewhere with deeds.
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I currently do not fly with the TLF, nor have I ever really held a position of authority within the groups that do, so I cannot speak for them. That said however, it is my understanding that TLF involvement in the Cal-Gal warzone is limited at best
I would not call it limited. Perhaps in the sense of being infrequent - but mark my words, whenever the chips are down and the battle turns serious, the TLF arrives in force.
The federation are still our allies of course. Would you be able to give your word that Caldari pilots would refrain from joinin the conflict in the Minmatar-Amarr Warzone?
The larger point in my post is that recognzing the realities in which we live in, there is room to for cooperation outside the conflict zones.
Yes, there is room for cooperation. Speaking very generally, the Stateâs attitude toward the Minmatar has been to emphasize peace, diplomacy and trade outside of the warzone. I am reminded, for example, of CBDâs involvement in the Kahah affair.
While there may be some Minmatar who share your opinion, from our perspective as a whole this does not seem to reflect the attitude of the Republic.