That’s not an easy question as there isn’t often as clear-cut a distinction between the former and the latter.
Indeed, you’d think the Empire would prefer this over another Elder Fleet.
Of course the difference matters. That said, the what and the how aren’t independent of one another. In goal-directed behaviour - well, the name says it - the how is informed by the what. You yourself defined the job by referring to the goal. Basically, you follwed the general from of ‘the job is to do what is conducive to reach the goal’. So, while the difference matters in many respects, I stand by my opinion that it doesn’t really matter to any meaningful degree in the matter at hand.
But, in case I should be wrong about it, I’m willing to concede your point about the distinction between goal and job. The job of a politician is to achieve what is good for the polity they should serve by politicking. It’s not their job to achieve what is expedient to them in ignorance of the good for the polity they should serve.
So, thinking it through: I’d hope you’d concentrate on economic and diplomatic means that don’t end up in starting a cluster-wide war that would kill us all.
Unless by doing so, they’re seeking to curry favor and influence so as to be more effective in achieving their larger goals in the future. A politician might—and maybe should—accept some compromises that work against his polity’s interests in small ways, in order to position himself to achieve much larger gains, later.
But that’s then not in ignorance of what is good for the polity, but in awareness of what is good for the polity and even beyond that in awareness of a hierarchy within the goods that are contained in that general good for the community.
That’d be everything but ignorance.
Sure, but let’s look at what sparked this:
Let’s keep in mind here that politicians all believe maintaining their own position and power is in the interests of their polity[1]. That means they want to shape public opinion[2] in a way that ensures they hold onto power. This, in turns, means they want to appear to be right basically all the time, even when they know they’re not. So they lie. They deceive. They spin things in ways that allow them to say ‘I have been right about this all along’.
Even the ones who aren’t corrupt. Because they can’t afford to lose standing and prestige, or they become ineffectual and unable to serve the interests of their polity.
That—the lying, deception, and spin in service of self-aggrandizement—that’s how politics works. That’s what makes actually getting things done possible.
And again, that’s not what Samira’s doing. She’s been wrong about things. She openly admits it when she is. If you want a better example of that behavior… look for the Derp-Duke’s next post.
1. Even horribly corrupt ones. They’re just lying about exactly what polity they really serve: themselves.
2. This is true even where popular voting isn’t giving them their jobs. It’s just a matter of which public you care about the opinions of: voters, or rulers.
That’s presupposing that people don’t recognize the greatness of someone having the strength to actually stand up and admit that they have made an error.
I don’t share that misanthropic, cynic idea. So, as I can’t agree with that premise, so neither can I agree to the conclusion.
P.S.: ‘Themselves’ can’t be a polity as a polity needs to be made up by more than one person by definition.
Some people do, sure. Some constituencies do.
Other politicians tend to see that as weakness, and an opening for manipulation… because they’re busy trying to advance their own stature so as to achieve more for their own polity.
I agree with the first two. But he is not a fair representation of the Empire. To suggest that he is would be to suggest that every Amarrian is a deranged, genocidal monster—and you and I both know that’s not true.
He is a product of his environment, yes. But there’s a certain quality that a person has to have in order to make the leap from “scoundrel with low tolerance and little regard for human lives” to “complete maniac with no ability to empathize or care about the damage he does to societies.” Most Amarrians—and most people in general—lack that quality.
Not every Empire loyalist would pull off the carnage that’s been seen at Gamdis, or any other such atrocity he’s masterminded. And that’s why, instead of being the height of the bell curve, he’s way to the left of it.
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He is not a fair representation. But he is a representation nonetheless. Our worst elements will always reflect on us, and it is up to us to purge them. Until we do that, and we have not (capsuleers have tried, mind, but we have limited power in this matter), then we will continue to be judged by them.
Laxative in the Mayo, laxative in the Mayo…
Pilot Valate at the time of the Elder Fleet’s construction and deployment the Thukker Tribe were not officially part of the Republic. They were an autonomous nomadic people living in the Great Wildlands, most of which is zero security and therefore outside of Republic governmental control.
Much later, after his de facto coup and ascension to Sanmatar, Shakor invited the Thukker to reunify with the Republic for purposes of Tribal unity and territorial integrity.
Yes, Shakor was involved with the Elders up to his neck but at that time he was a private individual and not the head of the government.
There you go, your spurious argument smashed under the heels of my utilitarian combat boots.
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Your argument doesn’t include the word “bosom”, therefore isn’t as funny.
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Now look at THAT, claiming not worth of trouble and yet responding.
Gallente trolls recently are getting too annoying, don’t you find so?
That’s certainly not the first time this particular phenomenon jumps into threads with nothing but disruptive intentions.
It’s true. I myself have made several Prophecies.
Most of them blew up, but I’ve still got at least one in my hangar!
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Well, that is certainly a good question. Wish I knew the answer. I can only say that I am but a single capsuleer, who has been out of this game of musical chairs for 8+ years and with very rusted combat skills. I don’t know people in the Militia anymore so I don’t know who to poke.
While not in the Milita, Both I and a representative of Aloga Industries are in system.
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I don’t know of any ship called the Prophecy. Unless you are in fact referring to the Chonky Bird?
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Not enlisted at the moment but I’m only a few jumps away aswell