Don’t care. He’s of the Faith. He’s ours.
For what? He’s in the Amarr group (CVA), defending Amarr space (Providence) against invaders.
You and I are also ‘independent’ capsuleers with various de facto legal immunities from our respective nations’ laws. Doesn’t make me less Amarr or you less Caldari. In the same way, this line of attack against Kyle is equally faulty.
Not everything you dislike or disagree with is a Gallente conspiracy, Commander.
You haven’t actually stated what it was I did that made you so irate, aside from not being Caldari. You’ve only claimed that I’m obstinate and don’t listen, which, even if true, doesn’t require conviction in the court of public opinion.
You, on the other hand, are all of those things and more—you’ve indulged in public spectacles of racism, are constantly taking offense, and have insulted your own supposed allies at their own galas.
Don’t try distracting others (or really yourself) from your own failures by deflecting them onto me. I’m too pretty for that.
Because nothing of you did or said made me irate.
I said way more, but yes, considering you took only that, indeed you don’t listen. Hire yourself a nurse to read what I wrote before.
Wow, now that’s a typical slander one would expect from someone being SO angry at Caldari State to make up all this.
Now after your spectacle you made here you dare to blame me in having a failure?
Wow. Stop wasting my time, gallentean.
First, it wasn’t incorrect then.
Second, if he’s yours, then take responsibility for fixing the issue he has been creating.
For public slander and defamation against Caldari State military personnel and Caldari State enlisted alliance.
Such pro-gallentean propaganda and obvious lies in public against Caldari State loyal pilots will not be left unpunished.
The question was not about who is “more” or “less” Amarr or Caldari, but through which channels and ways one can get the offender. For example, I might be a capsuleer, but I am also a Citizen and if I commit a crime - I can be put under tribunal.
If the Imperial law is powerless against Mr. Saltz and the Empire can neither put him under trial nor extradict him, in regards of the issue he has created we simply will treat him as a neutral capsuleer, that’s all.
The possibility of the Gallente conspiracy have not been claimed by me yet, only by you. However, since you have mentioned it, I’ll assign a group of investigators to dig into the issue, since I find it suspicious you brought the idea of the Gallente conspiracy.
The ties of the offender with any Federal aligned pilots will be studied.
A logged quote. As you can see, without direct evidence, Commander Kim believes you are slandering her alliance’s leadership. Inference is not sufficient to make your case in this instance. You have said multiple times that you spoke with them. If you have any communications logs or recordings of these discussions, it would go quite a long way toward settling the issue.
Make no mistake, Warden Saltz, I am not an advocate of warm feelings and strong bonds between the State and the Empire. However, Commander Kim is someone whom I respect. My own direct experience with her has shown me that she is willing to reconsider her position on matters if she is given compelling reason to do so.
In this instance, Paladin Warden Saltz, your statements are currently uncorroborated claims. Commander Kim has direct experience with the individuals to whom you refer. As such, she must set your statements against what she knows of those individuals. At this time, she does not appear to find your statement credible without corroborating evidence.
I do understand that you believe you have offered this evidence in the form of the corpses of her organization’s leadership. However, you must admit that without a well-documented chain of evidence, there’s no way to demonstrate how those corpses were acquired. While I may take your claim at face value, Commander Kim clearly does not, and is not entirely unreasonable in doing so.
I am not asking for ‘all the evidence in the world’. I ask only for one log of these conversations where the CALSF leadership has expressed their lack of loyalty to the State. Commander Kim is correct that she has no authority to alter the corporate direction of Templis CALSF. She does, however, possess the authority to determine whether she remains with the organization.
More, I believe that she would recognize that if Templis CALSF is disloyal, and acting against the interests of the State, she has a duty to the State to refuse to follow the orders of CALSF leadership. And that if presented with evidence of this, she also has a duty to the State to thoroughly determine the veracity of this evidence, and not simply dismiss it out of hand. She will not, however, disobey her chain of command—and should not be expected to—and will not sever herself from her current chain of command without direct evidence that she can verify for herself.
Game, set, match. Thanks for playing. Better luck next time.
Hell, I’ve said this for literally years! Glad someone else finally sees her for the crude little socioopath she is.
I would imagine this not to be the case, unfortunately. Were I, Paladin Saltz or Dr Quatrevaux to contact the leadership of Templis CALSF and get logs where they corroborate what Paladin Saltz has said, Diana would find another reason to ignore the truth despite our very different personalities, backgrounds and natures.
I would imagine she would say something like: ‘The logs have clearly been altered to slander an Officer of the State! Oh how disgusting it is to see such Gallentean actions infecting public channels! Well we shall make them pay by conquering the warzone and bringing the Gallentean boot-lickers to justice!’
Don’t reach for ‘mental illness’ as an immediate excuse for someone’s behavior. It insults and belittles those who actually do suffer from those illnesses, and it encourages others to tolerate that behavior because “it isn’t her fault!”
Some people, such as Kim, simply relish being awful.
I’m not exactly sure how insulting a representative Paladin-Warden of the Margrave of Providence, which is now an Imperial March under the military circuit of the Royal House of Tash-Murkon is all that conducive to Caldari-Amarr relations.
Are you kidding?! Afer you being awful in conversations and committing everything you do you DARE to call ME awful?!
You have no shame?!
Or you have no brains?..
The source, however, may be important as well, ma’am, and for sure I would thoroughly determine the veracity of the evidences if he would have brought any… before this day.
Because, honestly, I don’t know - and simply cannot know everything about our State, our Alliance, our Corporation, about any other member, and however outlandish accusations could be - there is a chance of them being true. And, provided Mr. Saltz would be a man of honor, I would have to pay attention to his evidences… However…
However, besides lying about our Alliance, Mr. Saltz has publically lied about my person. His insults and accusations about me were absolutely and totally wrong, and in that I am certain, just because I am myself, and I certainly know about myself way more than Mr. Saltz do and can make definite judgement if his words about me are truth or lie.
And considering he spread defaming incorrect information about my person in a public media, I have no trust in his Honor or in any “evidence” he would bring to me. His actions were criminal and he must pay for them. It’s not a question about me or my alliance or our State anymore. It’s the question of crime Mr. Saltz has committed.
With what he has committed in front of all of us, he has no merit whatsoever to put a blame on any of us, and if he do, we can rightfully dismiss his accusations against us as a mere drivel just like one Rella, des Larmes or Quatrevaux could spread.
With all due respect, Commander, you know that’s simply not the case. Evidence must be evaluated on its own merits, completely independent of the individual who brings it to you. To do otherwise is to bias and skew your evaluation, and do yourself and the matter to which the evidence pertains a vast disservice. A criminal may still witness a crime, and a liar can tell the truth. To dismiss the possibility out of hand plays into the popularity politics of the Federation, where ‘popular opinion’ matters more than cold, hard facts. You are Caldari. I trust you to believe in facts, as we do.
Ms. des Larmes, I find this sort of broad assumption about Cmdr. Kim as distasteful as those levied against Gallente or Minmatar persons as general catch-alls. The Commander has strong political views, yes, but she is not a racist. Fully 25% of her own corporation—including TheLastSparton, whom Warden Saltz referenced—are originally Republic or Federal citizens. This information, of course, is a matter of public record, and available for anyone who takes the time to look.
Feds:
Alexander Anaxagoras
Aoi Allas-Rui
Hiashi Yenzyne
Idame Isqua
Mikal Vektor
Ritto
Tenadin II
Yosima Alicanthe
Republic:
Atom Vakarian
Auroraqual
CheerfulBubbleFriend
Crunchey
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Henro
Luhen Ostus
Marco Mangeiri
Nolan Khaprani
Sandwoman
Scuzzy Syd
shofixti tanaka
Spartakos II
TheLastSparton
Tobenkin
With due respect, if bloodline didn’t matter to Diana, why did she respond to Dame Elkin’s assertion that Paladin Saltz is Amarr with:
Or call his assertions that Templis CALSF’s leadership were not Caldari loyalists:
If she is not racist as you suggest, then she at least uses racist language and epithets to distract from the real point of contention.
Diana still hasn’t explained how a pro-Caldari group can attack and attempt to capture Amarr sovereign space and still be loyal to a State that sees the Amarr as a valuable ally. What Paladin Saltz has said makes sense when matched up with actions in the real world. What Diana has said doesn’t.
I believe she is trying to deflect away from this core and basic question by employing the tactics of politicians… pointing in the opposite direction and shouting “LOOK OVER THERE!”.
If we actually care about answers, we shouldn’t let her.
As long as her current chain of command is one she believes to be loyal and honorable, then her service to that chain of command remains within the bounds of behavior she sees as acceptable. Questions such as those you pose remain in the realm of ‘above her pay grade’, and the province of her leadership.
So far as she is concerned, the issue she needs to concern herself with is whether or not she is working for people who have forsworn their loyalty to the State. All other political concerns are secondary. This is why Warden Saltz’s logs matter. If he cannot provide them, then his statements remain unverifiable. If he can provide them, then Commander Kim has a reason to ask her leadership if those logs are accurate.
As to her usage of the language of racists, it is true that she does speak in a way that is sometimes not as careful as it might be. She uses the shorthand and vernacular of her social surroundings, in my experience, but she has shown a willingness to correct her behavior when it is pointed out to her.
You’re either living in an alternate universe or talking about a different Kim. If this were true she wouldn’t have been banned multiple times from the Summit and other capsuleer channels.
Look back through IGS postings of hers over the years and then come back and tell me she’s not a xenophobe and bigot.
Perhaps you simply haven’t approached her in a way that gets results:
As I said: when she is asked to modify her behavior, she does.
You must be special then. When asked on numerous occasions to behave and refrain from racist/bigoted/xenophobic language she has refused and gotten banned because of her refusals.
No, she didn’t. She made a show of it for a little while, then she went right back to her old methods. She corrected nothing.
I would like to clarify that despite such offensive and uncouth rude trolls like @Anabella_Rella try to claim about me, I haven’t been banned from any meaningful and respectful capsuleer channel so far.
She surely could create her own channel and ban me bazillion of times, but it does not make any point.
Lets be honest, in any channel with a way stricter professional moderation than usual CONCORD CRC services it would be Rella who will be banned, not me.
In a private owner channels, well - anything goes. Owners could ban whomever they want, but I would think twice about visiting channels in the first place with an “ownership” instead of proper moderation.