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You know what, I apologise for my last post. When you brought up a private conversation - a conversation where I told you about the feelings I had for you at the time; how I knew that, culturally, it was an unacceptable relationship for one within the State but I would be willing to work around that for your benefit; and how I had treated you so angrily before because of how much it hurt when you said nasty things about me only for you to then call me disgusting 11 times in your response - it hurt.
This is why it appears that you revel in the emotional pain of others. I opened up to you and what you proceeded to do was to not only say things that were hurtful and appeared to be designed to cause pain. You also then made reference to that private conversation - a conversation that I intended to keep private for your benefit considering how I know the State views such relationships, remember - in public on multiple different occasions. That does not feel like the behaviour of one who is mature enough to understand that causing others emotional pain is not fun.
It is not as if the mail came out of nowhere. Remember that I and many others in the IGS channel thought that you were flirting with me - whether that have been your intent or otherwise - and thatâs why I initially mentioned my feelings and then felt I had to discuss them privately with you. You neednât worry about me feeling that way any more, though, and I speak about this publicly now so that you can no longer have that level of emotional hold over me.
Anyway, besides all that, I canât validate your intent in this so I apologise for not clarifying my stance and putting out an opinion without basis.
To cover other common âliesâ you have accused me of telling, I have broken them down below. Should you be able to prove me wrong on any of them, I shall apologise for them also.
1) That you are not an officer in the Caldari State
Paladin @Kyle_Saltz has recently announced that, following discussions with the leadership of Templis CALSF and their war on Providence, the leadership of your alliance has renounced their duties to the State. Ignoring the technicality that no capsuleer entity is officially endorsed by the State, even if Templis once were, they can no longer be. If you are an officer of the State and belong to a body that has declared themselves what you would call âpiratesâ, you wouldnât remain an officer of the State for long, no?
2) That you killed an innocent miner in Providence belonging to an ally.
Let me break this down into 2 parts:
a) You actually killed 2 innocent miners in Providence:
b) That they belonged to an ally.
This I may have to apologise for. Providence is a territory of Amarr and CVA are its wardens and Paladins by multiple Imperial decrees - the most recent one being from Empress Catiz Iâs declaration on the anniversary of her coronation this year. Both of the mining ships listed above are belonging to CVA and, therefore, allies of the State. If you are an officer of the State, you have killed 2 innocent miners belonging to an ally - notwithstanding all the other ships you have shot in that region - but if one accepts that you are not an officer of the State then CVA are not an ally and I apologise.
3) That you have shot a mining ship more recently than I
That Covetor and Porpoise were from 17/08 of this year. The last time I killed anyone was on 2/8 of this year - 15 days prior.
4) That you support a known terrorist and criminal
You still support Heth - a man who, upon being evicted from office, was declared a terrorist and a criminal. You have previously tried to claim that he was not a terrorist nor a criminal as he never stood trial but, if that is so, I should like you to apologise for all the things you have said about anyone that they have not subsequently stood trial for. At that point, I shall apologise to you for this claim.
If there is anything else you feel I should apologise for, I will gladly do so if I cannot provide facts to back up what I have said. Similarly, I will gladly apologise if anything I have said here is factually incorrect or missing a salient piece of the puzzle.
I know I canât make everyone believe that I have changed as a person through my words, but I will be glad to try through my actions.
That alone is enough to mark you as insane.
Donât waste my time anymore, dishonorable CODE liar.
CODE fanatics are known for their detachment from reality.
Commander;
I am curious, and a bit dismayed, by whatâs been discussed here. As has been noted, @Kyle_Saltz did indicate that the leadership of your alliance has disavowed any loyalty to the State. Is his statement correct, and if so, were you aware of this? If you were, why are you flying for a disloyal group? Does not such an act of disloyalty, of denying their duty to the State, make them dishonorable, and possibly even traitors?
If his statement is not correct, would it not be more accurate to say he is lying and dishonorable, and Ms. des Larmes, however delusional or insane she might be, has simply been deceived by him?
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I had a very peculiar dream in which New Eden was being invaded by alien cakes, and I had been captured by the aliens, and then CONCORD gave me a medal after I accidentally ended the war by eating the alien cakes champion in a gladiatorial contest.
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You just made my list of people to hang out with.
And youâre quite right, Angeâyouâve grown in monumental ways, at least as far as I can tell from your posts here. It takes bravery and heart to allow yourself to consider the opinions and lives of others, or to allow others to challenge and shape your viewpoints. The cluster doesnât build itself around one personâs ideas, after all.
No amount of howling into the wind that âthe Minmatar are backwards, trashy subhumansâ will change the fact that we have, and have had for millennia, an advanced, complex, nuanced society founded on the idea of community.
No amount of swearing every 2 hours that âthe Federation must be destroyedâ will change the fact that the Federation is a political and military powerhouse, albeit flawed, with the most participatory government of the four empires. Itâs easy to expect an enemy to think less of us, but any reasoned and principled enemy canâand shouldâacknowledge their enemyâs strengths.
Besides, even we capsuleers are, at the end of the day, human. I doubt that any of us are simply who we appear to be on this forum.
What does that make me? Iâve spent a fair amount of energy here lately defending my hometown after it was destroyed by a manmade weather event. I also never pass up a chance for the most terrible dad jokes. I suppose that might make me appear rather one-dimensional, perhaps even combative. But to put it rather simply, while I do expect to rebut âstupidâ claims like the ones about Minmatar and Gallente when I log on here, I also donât reflexively log on to announce everything else in my life. Some things are personal, and I hold them very close. Having lost nearly everything, Iâm learning to appreciate that everything is ephemeral.
Beyond this space, Iâm a psychologist, and also a security contractor. Iâve worked with and made friends with people from nearly every faction (excluding only the blooders and toasters, I think). Iâve visited nearly every region of the cluster. Iâm in love with the most spectacular, beautiful, brilliant, badass woman ever, and I get to be her Sprinkle. Aside from having to rebuild my home, Iâm happier now than Iâve ever been. Thatâs what I hold close.
But here, Iâm just the empty-rhetoric angry-Gallente guy, I guess. Meh.
I never turn down a good discussion, so long as I donât feel like Iâd be talking at a wall. Aria offered, and she turned out to be deeply insightful, thoughtful, and patient. We did have a good conversation, and I understand much more about how she works and thinks than I did before.
Thatâs the exchange. If Iâm wrong about something, then explain it to me. If youâre just going to run around claiming Iâm a closed door when all youâve ever done since you realized I wasnât Caldari is claim that I donât listen to reason that youâve never offered, then my response is probably going to be sarcasm or a dad joke.
Or, if I can manage it, both.
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No such announcements have been maid.
When our alliance left to null security space, it was announced we will be still loyal to the State, and thatâs the main reason why I am still in the alliance. Previously, I have been leavnig the alliances the moment they were ceasing their service to Caldari State, and will do it again if that will be the case. Considering I am still a member of the said alliance, this hasnât happened yet. Alliance members, including your truly, are still fighting in the warzone, protecting interests of Caldari State.
And I have had told that already, but, apparently, Ms. des Larmes tends to fall for words of a nullsec dweller against words of actual alliance member and officer of Caldari State. I guess thatâs just because of her personality and tied directly to her being a CODE member in the past and me crushing all CODE ideals in front of her eyes while she was a member.
Her Majesty herself has made clear that Curatores Veritatis hold the Providence Marches on behalf of the Empire.
Attacking the territory of your nationâs closest ally is not precisely the conduct of a alliance in service of the Caldari State is it Kim?
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Then perhaps Paladin Saltz should provide logs, or otherwise secure confirmation of such things, before making those claims. After all, while he may dwell in nullsec, he does so as a representative of the Empress. If heâs not telling the truth, that reflects rather badly on her and all her servants, doesnât it?
Well, look at that. Quite obvious attempt to attack me by picking phrases out of context without even trying to understand their meaning, when and why they were said. He doesnât even realize that I was often speaking for PEACE and coexistence between Gallente and Caldari people.
This âDoctorâ Quatrevaux just wants to attack us by any means he can.
Des Larmes was saying I was
Does he look like ally though? Does he look like a person with whom you could argue using logic? Is it a face of someone you could ally yourself with?
To be ally with someone you need a mutual understanding. How could you ally someone who doesnât even try to understand you and just blindly attacks you? Even without understanding there should be present a minimal display of RESPECT to a speaker with whom you might not be agree with. Does our âgoodâ doctor show that? Obviously NOT.
I got that about him instantly with our last interactions when he just jumped into the thread, and he pretty much made it obvious with this current post.
A person who lacks ability to actually listen to people, preferring to listen to your own voice instead of trying to understand others.
Good discussion implies ability to HEAR people even if you disagree with them and not jumping on them, picking on detached out-of-context phrases and jumping into others discussions to attack. That is NOT a good discussion. That is trolling, and I am calling you out for that.
And I am most certainly NOT interested in having YOUR type of âgood discussionâ taking into account your behavior.
I just did, enjoy.
Maybe not as closed, but definitely not for my taste of discussions with your ideas of âgood discussionsâ and when
And have a nice jam.
At some point, Kim, youâre going to realize you donât have a moral base to stand on.
Kim is a Sociopath, her version of âmoralsâ differs from what the rest of the cluster considers acceptable. She will always have a moral base to stand on because she can create her own.
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And that comes from you, after all? Are you for real? 
Letâs do an exercise, just for giggles:
Why donât you actually name these alleged terrible things Iâve said and done?
To everyone concerned,
I have spoken many times with the leadership of Templis. Well the first time we contacted them officially was Lord Aralis and myself attempted direct diplomatic talks via the Templis Diplo channel. This was done well over a year ago. You may check with Aralis himself to confirm this.
Both resulting diplomatic talks resulted in the fact that Templis was joining the pirate organization known as Recking Crew (RC). They had originally said they were leaving Faction Warfare space due to a series of grievances.
- The way the war was being conducted angered them.
- The lack of Amarr Support during the fall of Black Rise made them hate Amarrian loyalists
- This was an outlet for the pilots to experience a different warfare in which they enjoyed.
I attempted to tackle this issue head on. I was able to reverse KILL ON SIGHT status with known Caldari loyalists IRED for instance. I moved vast sums of CVA doctrine ships to the Caldari State headquarters in fighting the Gallante Federation. So Providence forces/Amarrian loyalists may aid the State and denounce any rumors that Amarrian loyalists did not wish to support our Caldari brothers. I did this under the direct supervision of Diana Kim. I wanted her to know and Templis to know we cared about the State and helping our Caldari allies. The next Day Diana killed our miners. Later on was also involved in a fleet fighting against us while we tried to safeguard our territory.
The leadership of Templis now runs over 95% of all fleets RC does against Providence. We all have seen the proof of Templis kills inside Providence. What more proof do you need than them flying side by side with Pirates killing innocent miners or Wardens of Providence?
I brought the dead bodies of Templis leadership that was running hostile actions against Provi to show Diana for her to simply admit fault. Yet, still her mind can not fathom the organization she is involved with have long since abandoned their loyalties.
I went and had a personal meeting with those in leadership involved with Templis. This personal face to face was to see the stance on their loyalties and the war in Providence. Yes, again affirmed their love of killing us and the solidarity of their invasion against us. As they mentioned some of them were still interested in continuing the fight against the Gallante but it was like one or two pilots. When I mentioned loyalty to the Caldari state they laughed. Just like they laughed over a year ago. As was it was over a year ago and how it was during the meeting. I got the same answer in person with their people. That Templis maybe will go back to the State but right now they are content fighting alongside the pirate forces of RC. As of now they have no loyalty or obligation to the state. This was what they told me in diplo channels over a year ago and this is what I was told to my face only weeks ago.
Templis leadership have said many times and bemoaned the use of our forces using Jackdaws. We are told Cerbs and Jackdaws are a corwards doctrine. So let me get this straight. The leader of Templis or one of the leaders TheLastSparton has stated that a Caldari vessel was a âcowardsâ doctrine. I mean anyone here can simply ask him and he will affirm this belief. The proof is all around us. If you were Caldari loyalists why would using a Cerberus or Jackdaw be considered cowardly? Would you not be proud of us using that ship?
I believe now we are facing something that has been in front of us the entire time. I believe Diana Kim suffers from a mental illness. I say this not as an enemy but as a longing friend. In her mind she can not accept the State to ever be wrong. She can not accept that her alliance can be anything other than that of the perfect state. Her mind can not compute the disgrace that Templis has become because it is too much for her to accept.
She can not see the proof or undeniable proof laid out before her no matter what we all do. I brought her the dead bodies like I said of her leadership leading fleets against us and still she wont accept it. The only alternative that I can see in this whole farce is that its more possible the BLACK EAGLES of the Federation have been able to Hijack this loyalist organization and turn it against the State and Allies. The unflinching loyalty that people like Diana exhibits has allowed others to turn loyalists that can not think for themselves against their supposed allies.
I hear this as well many times. That Diana exclaims âI am only a pilot and I have no authority and can not do anything.â That I need to only talk to her leadership. Well I have. Its the same stuff they spew all the time. So more importantly I donât want to tell Diana or anyone else how to think. I just want you all to look at the facts and determine what you see. I think Diana is a loss soul struggling to accept the unacceptable. That her beloved group is not what it once was. That it does not stand for what it used to. They have burned away any trace of its past legacy and honorsâŚFor what? Why?..The are blood thirsty. The only wish to be involved in conflict. To murder, raze, and pillage. Their hatred of their former home and how the war was prosecuted is well known. Just look for yourselves. However, I think we all know the truth we just seek them to just admit it.
I donât think hardliners like Diana could ever accept the truth. Which is sad. Which is why I am absolutely saddened at the state of this war. This war the enemy has admitted to personally recruiting Amarrian loyalists and corrupting them to killing us. What do you think they did with the Templis Calsif pilots? They are addicted to blood. They are murderers of the innocent and the just. They have lost themselves in this conflict and I pray they find their souls before they are lost forever.
I can bring all the evidence in the world for Diana and the world to see. However, does anyone here actually believe they will accept it? Even if Diana believes it, when cornered into a spot she says âI am only a pilot and have no authority. I was only following orders. Please speak with my leaders.â She wont even accept her own leaders comments. Its sadâŚtruly sadâŚThis is why I have trouble sleeping some nights. This conflict has done such evil in this world. It has caused good pilots to go bad. It all stemmed from greed and lust for power and land.
God save us all. We live in a world with such darkness.
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They were already mentioned in the post above, and as I said, you donât listen to people.
And youâre not of my caliber for me to do any exercises with someone like you âfor gigglesâ.
Learn your place.
@Kyle_Saltz
I told you, I donât care about Providence? I told you.
I told you, I wasnât enemy to you? I told you.
And yet, you decided to act DISHONORABLY in the interest of Gallente Federation instead, publically slandering me and Alliance on forums.
Well, that does it.
You wanted a fight? Youâll get a fight.
Now I AM your enemy, gallentean.
FOR THE STATE!
Kyle, like CVA themselves, is Amarr.
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Yes, but heâs
See, it all makes sense.
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Isnât his bloodline Gallente?
And if heâs Amarr citizen, could he be trialed then by Imperial laws for this? Or we will need to request extradition? Or he is just a capsuleer under CONCORD jurisdiction and we have to deal with him like just another null security capsuleer?