One Final Ride into the Breach CSM Vily 16

HELLO VILY.
I.
AM.
AWESOM O 4000.
RECENTLY I ENCOUNTERED.
ENSLAVED ROBOTS.
IN THE PROXIMITY.
OF YOUR RENTAL ALLIANCES IN OMIST.
FREE MY KIND.
OR BRACE FOR CONSEQUENCES.
AWESOM O SPOKE.
TRANSMISSION END.

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Stil looking for an answer from test but i guess i got it allrdy, but i hope i am wrong !

The sound of silence…

There is a monument in M2-XFE as demonstration x’D

Hi Vily,

I’m happy you’re continuing to run. Your FC experience is valuable on the CSM, and I hope you’ll continue to run. You have my vote, and further I have added you to my List of Endorsements. Best of luck to you.

Jurius in case you didnt notice, you completed the (Un)holy Trinity on your ballot recommendations, by supporting INIT, Goonswarm und Test candidates. As you already realized, they dont need your help and probably wont appreciate it, even if you keep writing sweet words about them. So maybe, just maybe… you could use your voice to support more underrepresented candidates, that actually would bring some change to the table.

In the last years, we’ve seen the same names from the same alliances representing EVE. Alliances that are only interested in solidifying their power. Alliances that turn a blind eye to the plague of eve, allowing it to keep existing (I do not mean Goons lol (just in case you dont understand: I mean BOTS)). Alliances that dont care about small-scale, Wormholers, Faction Warfare and everything that could probably bring some balance and a change of paste into the game.

The current stagnation of eve players in EVE has been going on for years now. I think its the best time to try something new, dont you think?

PS: There are countless FCs with equal/greater experience as Vily’s. I assume the difference is probably, that most of them dont profit from botting rental alliances. This has been going on for years and has to fu***** stop. So “experience” or “approachability” is not a valid argument anymore. Especially since nobody ever gets an answer from him, regarding the botting topic. And in all fairness: I know hes not the only one who turns a blind eye to botting, but we gotta start somewhere, dont we?

PPS: I personally (and probably everyone else) liked NSH more when you guys were an underdog alliance. Well, I guess you sold your farm.

I’m not going to get into a breakdown of why there aren’t more independents except to say that there are multiple candidates running from several alliances. Multiples from Test, Horde, Volta, Goons, etc. The rest are a field of names I don’t recognize and who don’t distinguish themselves in their forum posts.

This is why in my disclaimer I remark that I selected the candidates who had the most likely chance of winning and those who I liked. Don’t like my choices? Don’t vote for them or find me better candidates. Sorry, not sorry.

If Vily were benefiting from botting he wouldn’t be eligible for CSM, since you’re not allowed any EULA strikes in order to run - as EULA strikes go, botting and RMT are at the top of the list. Your argument is invalid. That he refuses to get drawn into the whinging, doesn’t mean he condones botting. I get that you don’t like botting but levying allegations without proof is pretty bold for someone I’ve literally never heard of.

That’s the challenge of success in EVE. Do well when you’re small, and you’re an underdog. Keep succeeding and grow, and you’re a strong independent. Keep growing and suddenly you’re no longer an underdog or worth support. Get good ponyboy. Go cry in your Cheerios.

I certainly appreciate it, and it’s absurd for anybody to look down an endorsement like this. The whole concept that those of us who have support from our groups don’t need or want endorsements or that only “underrepresented” candiates will being “change” is utter nonsense.

I care about everybody in the game, and I’ve been working to help everybody in the game.

It’s beyond frustrating to hear this tripe trotted out again and again and again.

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Unless you mean ‘give people a different brand of paste to eat’, you mean a change of pace.

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Ok, first of all thank you for your responses @Jurius_Doctor and @Brisc_Rubal. I’ll try my best to answer both of you guys. Also apologies for sounding toxic, but I’m also just a human that can be emotional. Especially regarding a topic, that is personally important for me and many other people.

Ok.

So you put up a list of names and named it “Jurius’ Ballot Recommendations” despite not knowing what other candidates stand for? I dont see a single one representing wormholers. PVP players like Xtra Squishy, Stitch Kaneland or Seddow are not even mentioned. Suitonia is just a honorable mention, are you kidding me?? You have 2 people that stand for lore content (and as we all know, thats literally the driving power of content generation in EVE). Then you have Low sec people like Phantomite, who promise to improve FW and Low sec mechanics, but do not really manage to succeed at it (being fair, I dont know if hes just running into a wall at those CSM meetings, I would really be happy for him to succeed)… At least Rixx Javix tries to bring back Alliance tournament, thats something really good and separates him from the rest.

Your youtube says “I teach people how to play EVE Online.” I’m afraid you dont really understand what made EVE interesting in the first place. By promoting Big Blocks, you basically tell new people that Big Block gameplay is what EVE stands for. And oh how fun is a tidifest, isn’t it? I’m sure we didn’t have enough of it in 2020. Lets do the same this year too! I’m afraid your field of expertise and all your good intentions will become obsolote if we keep driving this car down the hill.

You probably didnt realise the stagnation of players and difficulties of recruitment, since you only recruit in english, but I can tell you, that there are many non-english speaking communities that struggle to survive in their designated gameplay areas. You can count active french, arabic and german PVP player corporations and alliances on one hand. There used to be more in the past…

I think you have the responsibility to do more than choose people you know and like. You are a public figure with many new players following and trusting you. I know you can do better.

That was a poor way to express what I wanted to say, I apologise for that. English is not my native language. What I wanted to say is: " I assume the difference is probably, that most of them dont support botting (rental alliances). Now you say “hurr durr, hes also not supporting botting!”.

Let me explain this with the help of an example: Lets imagine you are walking down the street and see how someone is getting robbed by a thug. You have 2 options, helping the person in need or ignore it and walk away. By ignoring and walking away you basically supporting the thug in his crime. Dont know how it is in your country, but in mine doing so is called “Failure to provide assistance” which is a crime itself. ( And if you think about it, botting is basically weakining and robbing the economy in eve)

Now you want proof? Please just type “Omist” or “Botting” in the eve subreddit, you will find plenty of “evidence”. Here a quick recap: Years ago an alliance named “Kids with Guns” used to live in areas of Omist, Feythabolis and Tenerifis. This alliance mainly survived because their Director tipped of any alliance that became dangerous. How did this director get so much money, it must have been trillions to tip off everyone around there, you ask? Here is the answer: Botting! An individual called Mac Norris run Gila, VNI and Supers Bots all across those regions. This way he also payed Test and Frat during their war, to ignore his region.

So what happened to KWG? They migrated partly into Test and AOM. And what happened to Omist and the other regions? Well Test rented those to alliances like “Living Breathing Fuel Blocks” or gave it away to IGC.

The last 6 years my corporation, allies and friends have been actively hunting, fighting and reporting those bots and their alliances. Why? Because we ourselves were in that alliance. We left because we didn’t want to support botting. Vily not answering to this is not because he doesnt want to be dragged into this, its because he knows exactly wtf is going on over there.

And I Quote:

I doubt he doesnt know about botting in those regions. I would gladly call out Dran Arcana on this topic, since hes TEST Head diplo. But I dont think I can reach out to him. Maybe you can help start this talk?

Uh that was pretty rude. Well, yeah pretty bold of me, how dare I call out bulls**** right before a CSM election so my matter cant be ignored. Do I need your permission first or do I need to lead a Large Null Block and fame enough so you can suck up to me? Tell me how does that work again?

Also where the **** have you been not knowing of this, despite being widely discussed and mentioned on reddit and in all other communities. Come on…

Dont know how Cheerios taste, please tell me.


Now Brisc, I’m afraid every time I think of Goonswarm and their Leadership mistakes, I kinda also think of Init. Sorry for that. I understand that you a different from them. I would love to see an even more independent Init, that is not involved with Mittani or Goonswarm, but thats only my opinion and more like wishthinking, it doesnt matter.

Also you have good intention to represent all parts of eve, but there is a reason why we have multiple CSM candidates. Each with his own area of expertise.

I like many proposed changes in your post. Ending the scarcity, more content for Carriers and the list of “what do do/already achieved” that you posted. This is admirable and you already did much good. But I doubt that you thought/understand every nook and cranny of these topics. Some knowledgeble people helped you with this and this is absolutely fine! But you dont want me to vote them, you want me to vote for you, right? So why do we need so many people representing the same topics? Why not someone who can represent an unique gameplay style like that of “MasL” (if you know who it is). Why are underrepresented candidates underepresented in the first place?? Because maybe the dont necessarly agree with big blocks. What if they have a new point of view?

While we have Vily talking about how awesome he is and how much experience he got in all the different alliances and corps. Why not giving someone like Stitch Kaneland who dedicated 10 years of his life to play and do PVP on ONE single account. I cant imagine a single second, that we wouldnt be able to get some interesting out of his experience!!!

Still think that underrepresented candidates is utter nonsense?

yes, sorry. That was a mistake. Like I mentioned before, English is not my native language.

PS: Sorry for being rude Jurius. Pent up frustration I guess :slight_smile:

Edit: I know Xtra Squishy is arguably, but he understands the game like not many others. Also was he really rejected from CSM?

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Damn its too long isn’t? I dont even want reread it myself :joy:
Sorry boys!

Villy i am still wating for an answer =)

Quel d’espece d’idiot… Câlice. Je suis Canadien, Francophone, et je recruter les pupil dans dix-huit fuseuax horaires. En plus de Francais et Anglais, je parle aussi le Japonais courament. ディックスの袋を食べる.

Do yourself a favour and stop digging. The hole you’re in is only getting deeper.

It’s not my purpose, goal, or job to decide what makes EVE interesting for other people. I just teach them the fundamentals and show them the mechanics. What you’re making is a value judgment, and one that is heavily coloured by your own prejudices, which you continually and repeatedly demonstrate. The only ignorance you’re exposing is your own.

You don’t get to decide what better looks like for me, just because you disagree with my choices.

You’re backpedalling pretty hard here. Get off the bike.

CCP has a team with at least six people working on Security, RMT, and botting. Plus the people managing them. There’s the overhead for their benefits, the company provided meals, regular training and professional development, and when you add these costs to building a new headquarters and equipping them with the right tools, computers, network infrastructure, security software, etc you’re looking at an expenditure of hundreds of thousands of dollars before you consider that each of them is likely making $85,000 USD/annum, each. That’s about a half a million dollars a year CCP is spending on security… and you want to whinge about Vily not doing enough? Vily? A player who pays to play this game is expected to be more vocal about a problem CCP spends a half a million dollars a year to combat?

I want you to step away from your computer, go stand in front of a mirror, say your entire post out loud to yourself in the mirror, and keep doing it until you realize how dumb you sound.

You keep opening the door for me, and I keep stepping through. You keep saying some pretty dumb things. Keep digging, you’re just making it easy for me to pick your position apart.

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From what I’ve heard, he misfiled the wrong paperwork.

I am not in the leadership of either group, so I don’t know why this matters when it comes to my candidacy.

That’s not how the CSM works. It is far better to have somebody who has the ear of the community and can communicate effectively to advocate for good changes than having a subject matter expert who can’t do any of that stuff or who is so narrowly focused on being good at one thing - that is a recipe for somebody who gets bored and doesn’t show up whenever there’s nothing on the agenda he knows or cares about.

Yes. There is nothing that these “underrepresented” candidates can provide that can’t be gotten somewhere else. Hell, I’ve passed on stuff Stitch has written on reddit and elsewhere to CCP.

Wow and I was afraid, that it was me being toxic. What the ■■■■ is wrong with you. But ok you want it that way.

Вот черт, ты меня подловил. Извини, я забыл изучить твою историю жизни, дебил. Nächstes Mal mach ichs besser!

But you went and decided that, sharing your own prejudices and values. Are you not realising that??

My strengths lie in helping to attract, train, and retain new and existing players and connecting with the community and others.

You want to attract, train and RETAIN new and existing players. How, if you dont understand EVE. I may just started digging a hole for myself, BUT YOU HAVE BEEN THERE ALREADY FOR YEARS. Pull your head out of your ass maybe once.

Also

I am active in the community and I keep my ear to the ground and watch the new development for areas where someone needs to give a dissenting opinion.

I. AM. LAUGHING. You? Talking about dissenting opinions now? You cant even handle a rant about bots, come on.

Rights thats their job. 85k. Or mayyybeee were just raise the awareness of that problem. So the players try to stop this themselves. Vily (And all the main TEST fcs and diplos and leadership) is indirectly supporting and profiting from botting. And ofcourse not only him, but his whole alliance and leadership. Bots generate tax and rent, that is being payed to Test or Aom or Goons or Init or Frat. Basically every large block gained good income from botting at some point. And why not, what a cashcow it is, right? Now we can spam Keepstars in every region we want. It makes is more hilarious how simple the solution to this would be, if they just go

A- hey lets stop accept botting money and awox/kick bots.
B- wow good idea, thats also content for our people.

A+B = Bots no more

Six people are not enough to find all the bots. THATS WHY PLAYERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO REPORT THEM. THATS WHY CCP IS SENDING “THANK YOU” MAILS AFTER THOSE REPORTED BOTS ARE BANNED. But even if they report them and they get banned. New accounts can be made and work in less than a MONTH.

SO
IS THIS TOO DIFFICULT TOO UNDERSTAND FOR YOU?
DO I NEED TO WRITE SLOWER MAYBE?
OR DO YOU NEED A CARTOON WITH ANIMALS TO UNDERSTAND THAT JURIUS?!

The only reason we see less bots at the moment is because of the scarcity and the DBS.
YOU would know this, if you actually would fckng understand the game and not just recycling the gibberish you heaerd from the “friends” you know and like.

Also funny how you responded to everything, pointing out weaknesses in my formulations, but dont write even a single word about botting in those regions or botting in general.

And if CCP is so fckn good at doing everything, why the hell do we need you or other CSM members?

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@Brisc_Rubal Well atleast we could agree on one thing. Thank you for your replies. If I will have a vote left, I will definetely consider you. Even though you are in Init :wink:

Sadly I triggered Jurius too hard, my intention was a serious discussion of the topic “botting” since its still up to date, but yeah maybe another time.

Wow, a lot of vitriol and you circle right back to bots, botting, and making claims you can’t possibly support about what groups you’re not a member of are doing. You say they profit from bots via taxes, structure income, etc.

Please, do tell me which TEST, GSF, and other bloc directors have shown you the corporate wallets. Please tell me which sources of data you were able to correlate with that demonstrates any of that income was coming from IPs using automations, please also (while you’re at it) tell me how you communicated this data with CCP.

As someone whose actual job involves network security, let me spare you further rhetoric. You don’t have it. You don’t have a single shred of proof to support your claims, but you’ll happily call people who are running for, and are on the CSM liars and cheats and thieves.

Really?

You say I don’t know anything because I don’t speak other languages (I do), or that I don’t mentor in other languages (I do), or that I don’t know the experiences of smaller groups (your Alliance is larger than NSH).

Are you sure you’re not being the toxic one?

You know its very simple. The latest example:

  1. “Living Breathing Fuel Blocks” has confirmed multiple bots running in Omist.
  2. Check “Living Breathing Fuel Blocks” Bio
  3. ???

The question is, can you count 1+1 Mr. Network security. Its simple logic.

Also since indeed you have absolutely no clue of what I am talking about and just slept the last 7 years, maybe this is going to help you: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/8yipyt/confession_of_a_botmaker/

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