Overall gameplay Issues

[Vuhdo_Rin]

@Ulysses_Redmane

Nah, I think I’ll just get bored of this denialist rhetorical game and argue in circles for a while.

because you dont have any valid arguments … i can understand your frustration !

@Ulysses_Redmane

Ohhhh, sassy.

i know

@Ulysses_Redmane

Proovement? Really?

year ! prooooovement ! you dont have any ! you know it … now your try to sneak out of your failed argumentation

@Ulysses_Redmane

You know people have more than one character and account, right? I have a character from 2006. This one is from 2019. I made a game out of seeing how long I could avoid death with him and it turns out that span was about 5 years and 27 days, cut short by a Thrasher in Jita no less. Fun times.

i know ppl have chars from 2003 … your only a 2019 char without any evidance of playing before 27th january 2024 !
if you wanna prooooove anything else then why do you need to hide behind an forum alt ?

btw xD if you dont undock 5 years then nobody can shot you this must be a very boring game xD

[Ulysses_Redmane]

@Vuhdo_Rin

year ! prooooovement ! you dont have any ! you know it … now your try to sneak out of your failed argumentation

You don’t have any proof of what you’re asserting either you’re just pointing to a graph from a decade ago based on data that you openly admit is no longer accurate. Your condescending churlishness doesn’t make up for that.

@Vuhdo_Rin

if you wanna prooooove anything else then why do you need to hide behind an forum alt ?

Maybe if you actually looked at my post history you’d find out. Not that you will, since you’re clearly here to talk trash instead the topic of the thread.

[Tiger_space_Thedark]

i still prefer blackout to this day, not CCP fault if null sec ratters like to press f1 and spin theirs chairs

[Hyrja]

First month drops…are complicated to work out.

When my son wanted to be like his old man in wow, he lasted a few days. with me making his start easier. Bags…mailed. Gold mailed to get mounts and crap.

Eve same thing. He tried it too.

Guidance there, assistantance too. MMO’s in general are “dying”. It takes a certain breed to play these imo.

Even wow missed sales targets as the trilogy of terror began. 3 expacs, each to some worst than the last. The latest one dragonflight sold less than Shadowlands. Ergo less subs.

Basically every MMO has growing issues. Some hide it better. BLizzard stopped reporting subs long ago. they go off quarterly and annual sales numbers.

A Slick move that. It tacks on all the token sales, boosts, store sales for mounts and pets and crap. “Whales” make blizzard numbers look good. NGL, I got a few store mounts on sale. I can happily be a whale for the right price and a cool mount lol.

[Vuhdo_Rin]

@Ulysses_Redmane

You don’t have any proof of what you’re asserting either you’re just pointing to a graph from a decade ago based on data that you openly admit is no longer accurate. Your condescending churlishness doesn’t make up for that.

my facts are proven by CCP´s fanfest ! and your “arguments” are just fanatic ideas that fits your narrative !

and if we only have data´s from 2015 then its still the best data we have because nothing else CCP released … !

@Ulysses_Redmane

Maybe if you actually looked at my post history you’d find out. Not that you will, since you’re clearly here to talk trash instead the topic of the thread.

oh and youre talking about the thread ? oO i dont think so … youre just wanna spread your narrative ! nothing more, nothing less !

and why should i look through your post history ? only to see your other fanatic stuff thats not true ?

[Vuhdo_Rin]

@Ulysses_Redmane

You’re really good at finding ways to sound more and more absurd

good that i just sound absurd … youre fanatic ideas ARE absurd !

and btw … if i´m only talking trash … why do you still answering me ? xD

[Vuhdo_Rin]

@Ulysses_Redmane

Because it amuses me.

to be the fanatic in this thread ? very curios

[Vuhdo_Rin]

@Ulysses_Redmane

barely communicate in English

interesting that you need to attack other ppl´s second language xD … fits to a fanatic ! cant be wrong so he needs to attack everything he can find ! and if you dont have any “usefull” arguments then youre attacking the person itself

@Ulysses_Redmane

EVE Fanfest whispers secret knowledge

it “whispers” datas you dont get anywhere else xD and CCP´s datas are correct ! if you think they are not then this only proves your a fanatic !

[Vuhdo_Rin]

@Ulysses_Redmane

Mmm yes, play the victim card after a solid 10 minutes of trash talk

i dont play any card xD i´m just said a fact that you are attacking me on a personal level and this fits to a fanatic like you

[Vuhdo_Rin]

@Ulysses_Redmane

Your English suddenly improved right after I mentioned it.

it cant be magicaly improve by nothing xD
but only a fanatic cant realize this !
and an attack is still an attack

[Vuhdo_Rin]

now youre coming with gas against me as a german … oh boy thats very thin ice !

[Vuhdo_Rin]

we are all free ! or do you write this posts in jail ? oO

[Destiny_Corrupted]

lol

Another two goobers get into a kerfuffle over who’s the better spaceship warrior.

[Destiny_Corrupted]

Not for the last 20 posts at least.

[sambo_Inkura]

And here’s me fresh out of popcorn…

[Altara_Zemara]

@Ulysses_Redmane

I was really hoping you would ponder the metrics in both graphs and wonder how they match up. Yours shows that 85% of people don’t die within 15 days. Mine shows that 90% of people already quit by then. Obviously they aren’t going to die because they’re not playing.

Noooo…you conveniently lost track of your original claim…

“Realistically speaking a lot of people quit the game right after the first calamity”

Now you are admitting that 90% of people don’t actually have a first calamity. You can’t use the same data set for two mutually exclusive things !

[Destiny_Corrupted]

His math is just flat-out gibberish too.

[Altara_Zemara]

@Ulysses_Redmane

Data that doesn’t support the conclusion you’re trying to push. If 14.5% of new players die in the first 15 days, and 93% quit in the first 14 days, ostensibly half of the people who died to another player quit within two weeks. Most of the people who didn’t die probably quit in the first week.

Given that 85% left and didn’t die…what evidence do you have that 7.25% ( half the 14.5% ) left because they did die ?

In fact your maths is totally absurd, for by your ‘logic’ the entire 7.25 % remaining after 2 weeks would ALL be people who died but didn’t leave. So in fact dying would be the best way of retaining new players, by your woeful maths !

[Ulysses_Redmane]

@Altara_Zemara

Now you are admitting that 90% of people don’t actually have a first calamity. You can’t use the same data set for two mutually exclusive things !

The flaw in your assertion is that you assume the first calamity is always player-driven.

[Ulysses_Redmane]

@Altara_Zemara

Given that 85% left and didn’t die…what evidence do you have that 7.25% ( half the 14.5% ) left because they did die ?

I encourage you to look up what “ostensibly” means.