Thank you for your clarification. I did think that you were talking primarily about high sec sites.
The fact that you are talking about low/null sec sites makes me think that you are being even more entitled and unreasonable for asking for nerfs for the hunters than what I previously imagined.
Null sec is supposed to be dangerous and hard.
Do you understand that there is a fool-proof way to mitigate losing an escalation to hunters, and that the method is neither hard nor dangerous, only tedious. Yes or No?
Are you saying that you’re complaining that when you manage to successfully outplay escalation runner hunters by warping to safety and keep your ship alive, you are sad they now can run the site unopposed by you?
That’s a level of entitled beyond what I first assumed.
Why not be happy that you outplayed them and that you managed to save your ship?
If there is one thing this thread has taught me, it is that eve is intended to be an unfun and tedious game, I am so sorry for assuming otherwise.
It kind of is, yes.
In this case you can choose to risk giving up your site by continuing to do your escalation while hostiles are in space with you, or choose to warp away so you keep the site for yourself but spend more time doing it.
It’s your choice to make.
And instead of making a choice you want to pick the most beneficial choice while also asking for a removal of the scenario where the other choice is needed, impacting everyone who hunts escalation runners.
That’s rather selfish.
The pve’re already has to farm the escalation (compete w/ other players for the hs sites), get a ship into low/null that is capable completing the escalation, that ship also has to be capable of avoiding hunters. at this point the pve’re has way more invested in the undertaking than the hunter. but its selfish of me to suggest that the pve’re be protected from a small amount of tedium in return for taking all this risk? brother I will send you my address and you can mail me whatever it is you are smoking.
Horseapples.
I am sitting on a Level 4 data site right now, cloaked, waiting for someone to come in and start working it.
I can assure you, the hunting also has plenty of caveats.
I need: Someone in this system, with a ship capable of scanning down a Level 4 data site, who is complacent enough to not dock and undock at the two stations here to check if I am docked, and for them to open the hacking mini game, and for them to be unable to effectively fight back.
There is plenty of risk for me.
This thread isn’t about generic sites that you find by scanning cosmic signatures, this thread is specifically about escalations.
Doesn’t matter it’s all the same.
An Escalation will pop up as a new sig as soon as you trigger it. A hunter has the time between you triggering it and you getting to the escalation system to wait for you to arrive. You might decide to do a Bio first. You might go walk the dog. An escalation can sit for like 6 hours waiting on you.
this doesn’t sound true. I don’t know for sure though.
In any case the point I’m making is there’s still lots of risk for the hunter, whether they have to scan you down or the escalation, it’s irrelevant. Stop derailing and diverting.
This thread is about you asking for an unfair advantage, let’s not lose sight of that.
Doesn’t read any of the comments, spews a lie, gets called on it, goes on the defensive. welcome to eve online the video game.
What lie?
Sorry I didn’t realise it was not possible to scan down an escalation.
You realise that’s even MORE disadvantage for the hunter right?
You’re being incredibly disingenuous now.
You’re crap at the game. Just go find another. Please!
You understand the the hunter has no time investment in the escalation right … and because they have no time investment they have no risk …? Or are you going to try and tell me that there is a specific subset of hunter that only go around low/null only looking for escalation runners …
The hunters have an insane time investment to find victims, wtf are you talking about?
good god man, go!
I just picked up on your choice of “pve’re”. You’ve used it repeatedly in this thread.
When you play EVE Online, you are not solely a “pve’re” when undocked, and sometimes not even docked in a station.
When undocked in EVE, in my opinion, it is more useful to think of yourself as either prey or predator. Sometimes, depending upon who you encounter you can be both. When engaged in pve, for the most part, you’re prey. You might be a predator, in disguise, trying to lure prey to you; but, for the most part, you’re prey. It’s as simple as that.
In highsec, pve’res are plentiful, like herds on the plains. In lowsec, pve’res are more like a solo animal at a watering hole. You’re a target and you’re vulnerable at an identifiable and frequently used location, i.e. a pve site.
In nullsec and whs, a solo pve’re, without their “herd” protection, is an opportunity, the pvper’s entertainment. Their conflict, pve vs pvp, might be a terrific fight. The pve player might get away, but the pve players are always potential entertainment.
In my opinion, it is that dynamic, prey and predator, that the original designers used for the game.
This whole post is simply additional commentary. It is not meant to address your original post, which I did earlier in the thread.
I don’t expect this post to change your position in the slightest. However, if might help clarify the pushback your suggestion is getting.
Lets say I am crap at the game, why would you encourage me to leave? Doesn’t that leave fewer crap players for the very talented hunters …?
We want people who are going to play the game and not fill their nappy every time something doesn’t go their way.
We also want an environment free from blue haired vegans trying to muscle in and reshape the game for them - You’ve already done that to much of the rest of the world, work places and HR departments and the likes.
Not here. Eff off.
You don’t want the game to change because its already perfect. This has already been addressed, please read the comments.
I already read all the comments. So that’s two wonky things you do now: Tell anyone who disagrees with you that they haven’t the right to opine, and accuse everyone of not reading the comments.
Neither of these whines are furthering your agenda.