Poll: Is EVE dying?

You forgot ‘Pie’

… why?

100% of people exposed to dihydrogen monoxide die within a mean of 70 years.

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Only already dead things are not dying

Link? I call ■■■■■■■■. I spend some time with the topic and from all I know, we currently understand aging as the accumulation of various forms of damage over time that our biology can’t repair. The reason for this is probably that there was no benefit for the species and hence no evolutionary pressure to select for genes that can handle this issues.

To say that this equates to “programmed in our DNA to progressively decline” is like saying “it’s programmed into the Windows source to progressively decline so you have to reinstall”, like this is somehow intended. It’s not intended, we just lacks the biology to live longer.

But that also mean we can attempt to fix it by repairing the damage instead of just addressing the symptoms.

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Has the Chaos Era started yet?

We are in it :japanese_ogre: :smiling_imp:

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The key in all of this is that the current behaviors of our bodies is as much genetic as environmental - and our gene behaviors in aging are significantly not associated environmental damage to our DNA. This study illustrates that, in order to promote longevity, the natural genetic processes that allow us to initially develop into healthy adults have to be medically adjusted in maturity to prevent their influence in the natural progressive decline of our bodies - which is not a decline caused by damage or degradation to the genes or their associated controlled structures. These aren’t cancers or systems run amok.

At the point where you have to turn off systems that were critical to development and ongoing maintenance of the organism in order to keep it from aging, you are changing its code to keep it from performing as originally intended.

Also, to be clear, when I say designed I am strictly referring to the way our DNA dictates our development and subsequent decline - not referring to any being writing our genetic code. Your analogy to a computer system is inconsistent on that basis as it relies upon an outside party intentionally crafting a flaw. Rather, our bodies have limiters in place that prevent systems from running amok and by doing so limit our natural lifespans, as there are no natural outside triggers that would tell subtle components of our bodies to stop running because they are no longer relevant to maintaining our lives and are actually a detriment past X point.

I am also not saying that studying longevity sciences is bad, nor decrying attempts to minimize the negative medical effects of aging. I was simply highlighting a fascinating aspect of biology.

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Eve died in 2009 when I first left. And then 2012. And 2015. And 2018.

Interesting read, thanks. Apart form this changes, there are however various forms of “damage” that are known not to be caused by changes to the biochemistry based on our genes, but damage that we never had the capabilities of repairing in the first place. So just tweaking our biochemistry will unfortunately not reverse everything.

Are you familiar with the work of Aubrey de Grey and the Sense Foundation?

EDIT: by “intended” I did not mean to imply you said it was designed, that was just a bad choice of words from me.

I am admittedly not deeply versed in the subject; I simply find some details to be fascinating when observed at a high level (and tragic when applied to their impacts on the experience of life).

I believe further exploration of this is probably off-topic with regards to whether or not EVE is dying, though - feel free to toss a thread in OOPE and tag me and I’ll be happy to discuss!

Why should this computer game dying? Because ccp removed tritanium from 0.0 ?

I did well.


@Mkikaden_Tiragen

Hey! You stay right here! :smiley:


Always: 62%
No: 25%
Yes: 13%

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You’re correct that language is a wonderfully funky thing. The term Entropy originally was a measure in the field of Thermodynamics, but has been discovered that the principle it represents involves much more than just one area (everything in fact).

The world would be a better place if people were like spiders and women ate the men that impregnated them.

Just sayin’

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

People could be like seahorses and the men be the carriers of young instead.

But then we’d be the only ones left.

I carried my young around in a chest harness.

Never been kicked in the yarbles so many times in my life.

Mr Epeen :sunglasses:

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I prefer chocolate.

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It’s quite stagnant really