People trying to prevent PvP in a PvP game. In an upside-down world it makes perfect sense.
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The worst part is that it’s ridiculously easy to go about your PvE in almost complete safety.
For mining and hauling especially, Eve is a game of compromise; attention vs risk, hp vs cargo etc.
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You’re right. The only times I was ganked is when I wasn’t paying attention. The first few times is when I was fooling myself into thinking I’m not a good enough / juicy enough target. Facts are, everyone is a target, even Joe Blow in his little corvette, especially in a PvP game starving for targets. Cat & Mouse is the game. Keep your ball on the important parts of the screen while the PvE activities don’t require much attention, especially with the warning sounds letting you know that cargo is full ect…
It’s not. That’s the point. If you introduce a system that makes people red, even after their grind, you risk making the grind redundant in the first place.
There is no grind.
Grind is only for people who go pew pew in LS. People who stay ganking in HS, they don’t care. Glass canon is cheap as ■■■■, there is no reason to increase its price with grind.
THAT is the issue : no need to grind actually. Either stay at -10 or eat tags.
Possible Ganking Solution
Better solution.
Be where they ain’t.
–Gadget can dodge a wrench
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Morph really let himself go
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Grinds are redundant.
They is literally no need to grind.
Which is good, because its terrible game design.
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What issue?
Ganking is perfectly fine
No, because gankers use alts for warp in’s and bumping doesn’t require a red safety, so your change doesn’t really do anything to prevent your ass getting melted, not that there needs to be any changes made, don’t fly something worth ganking and you won’t get ganked, simples 
Its literally been a feature since day 1, ergo by design, ganking isn’t something that has only just appeared, its been used for over 17 years at this point, you don’t need a dev post to confirm a feature that old lol
Point to the specific newbros to which this is actually an issue, even if you do find a couple, its an insignificant number, just like the people who whine about other things that affect less that 0.0001% of the population
As someone who sits in rookie help each day i can assure you there isn’t mass reports of getting ganked in there at all lol
Its not because of ganking, its because the average newbro these days doesn’t even bother to read the tutorial that is in front of them, CCP can’t fix stupidity
They just need to replace the current intro video on first launch with the HTFU music video
I think that in the year of our Lord 2021, something like that would result in a genuine class-action lawsuit being filed against CCP.
My preference would be this: Permaband: Killing is just a means…
I don’t need to.
Its so much an issue, it’s forbidden by CCP on the starter system, the epic soe systems.
CCP realized it’s devastating for a new player to be grieffed while they don’t even understand the basis of movement in the game, and actually very bad for player retention.
You don’t have testimony of someone going to lowsec because his mission/storyline agent asked him to and getting ganked at the gate ?
I do. It’s not “a lot” but it’s definitely several of them.
You start the game, 5 hours later you finish the career agents, and then there is one mistake because you did not know the whole mechanism and you lose your destroyer you just took 5h to get.
And your game, the people, tell you you are bad, “you should not have done that”. No wonder then that people rather stay in station and do discovery than try to actually play the game.
other testimonies : the guy who goes in WS and gets ganked when docking in jita. How many people actually know how to use insta dock/undocks ? yeah very few, still you need to know them to avoid ganks.
The guy who LEARNT to use AP in the tutorial and tries to use it through a gank heavy area.
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I think you’ll need to define what a “newbro” or “new player” actually is (and reach consensus). Because I think it means different things to different people.
I’m not 100% certain, but I’m pretty sure that high-sec missions don’t send you to low-sec. Maybe someone who runs missions can chime in on this.
CCP here refers to 30D old or less
Now it depends a lot on the player : one can start, take a break, start again later. Even years laters.
Also a lot of people are actually newbro because they don’t want to care about the game (cf my previous comment about insta docks).
IMO a lot of typical traits make someone a newbro :
- using AP
- no insta dock
- does not know how to go get stuff in NS
- does not know how to huff in a WS
- does not know how to gank someone in a catalyst/another ship.
- does not know how to fit a ship for a small roam.
I’m 100% certain they do.
Yeah, need to add to the previous list
- believes that he can’t be sent to dangerous place from HS agents.
^^
These metrics are very subjective. You would get situations (and I’ve encountered players like this personally) who are sitting AFK in high-sec mining in Hulks with 50M ISK drones, but don’t know about most, if not all, of those things. Most people wouldn’t call such players “newbros” I think. It wouldn’t be fair to genuine newbros to lump them into the same category.
A more objective metric would be someone on their first account with less than 30 days of total character age (negotiable, could be higher, but not something absurd like 6 months). The rest of the potential factors should be thrown out for the sake of fairness and parity.
Well like I said, I’m not certain. If this is the case, however, maybe this should be changed for all missions below level 4 (I’d say anyone running level 4 missions doesn’t really qualify to be a new player).
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They do.
no, they are objective.
The choice of those metrics however is subjective.
Basically for me, you are a newbro as long as you don’t understand your mistake when you die.
Then “most people” would be wrong. Not something new.
I played with someone multiboxing skiffs in HS with an orca, he never lost one - at least, when I was present. And still he was making several mistakes, but he was not AFK.
I met people who started the game again after years (even decade), and I told them to do the career agents because they were completely lost. How comes those are not newbros ?
Age is not a factor of people being newbros. 1d alts can be more knowledgeable than 10y main.
easy test : go in airaken, there is a L2 SOE agent.
They need to replace the intro vid with a bunch of ganking action, subtiled: The ultimate purpose of a ship is to explode. AFK is not a playstyle.
And are you also saying that all such players should be protected from ganking?
IF there is a retention problem its because the game is boring as all hell.
The camaradrie for people who like others is not unique to EvE.
Just those of us who remain are either bored addicts with little better to do (me) or those with friends who like sitting on comms playing dominoes with other old folk.
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