Perfect, that proves that newbies are never directed to lowsec where the Guide Guy PvPers are, and that they’re only exposed to The Bad Guy ganker griefers in High Sec.
It would be really stupid of CCP to somehow expose these newbies to The Good Guy PvPers in lowsec. Instead, it’d be really intelligent and objectively better for the game if we just got rid of The Bad Guy gankers griefers so they weren’t exposed to anything at all!
Lucas, bruh, we’re a team. You keep trying to divide a wedge between us but I’m here spitting 
and dropping truth bombs and rather than helping me out you’re raining on our whole parade. Don’t let the ganker shills subtly get you to drive us apart.
Ad homonym!
Lucas, let us go over this point again.
I was talking about not giving salt to gankers (i.e. not reacting to smack talk and taunts).
You quoted me and then responded with:
I feel that I am reasonable in assuming that you are posting that in relation to what I posted, therefore you are saying that smack talk and taunting needs to be banned as greifing.
There are three other ways I can read this interaction in light of your statement that you never said to ban smack talk, and I just don’t understand.
You were disingenuously framing your argument so that it looked like you are reacting to the statement you quoted from me, but in fact you are arguing a totally different case, but you thought it looked like you were rubbing my nose in it by quoting me.
You did not think about the implications of what you were saying when you said that smack talk was griefing, and want to roll it back without admitting that maybe you over stated your position.
You did not understand what I meant when you claimed that smack talk = greifing, and now that you do you want to walk it back a bit, but you don’t want to admit that you did not understand me, so you are trying to frame it so I did not understand you.
Which of these three is it Lucas? Do you have a different explanation that I am not seeing (that does not involve your interactions just being a troll. I really feel like I am going out on a limb here and giving you a chance to explain without you looking more like a troll than you already do).
Lol, I am glad that you are here Lucas to tell me what I mean.
I was talking about not giving salt to gankers, i.e. taunting and smack talk. You were the one who decided that this was griefing, and declared that it must be banned. I fail to see this subtle distinction in definitions that you are claiming it straight forward.
I will say that your answer falls mostly in to option #1. Again you seem to be falsely framing things, and then claim that you “never said that” when it is clear that you did.
Come on man, most of the people in this thread are either mocking you, or have declared you a troll. I think I was one of the last ones that took you kinda seriously. I don’t any longer.
I am pretty sure you are just trying to look good with cleaver word games, even though you don’t have a point, or are just trying to steal other people’s slack. You know pinkie normies never get to escape, but just get swept up by Jehovah1 to the cooperate sin galaxy. It may not be too late to escape Lucas. You need to accept Bob Dobs into your heart and quit trying to steal other’s slack.
X-day will get here eventually.
Either way I cast you out in the name of the true Bob.
TBH, I think the Soldier of Fortune Mission SHOULD Send you to Lowsec- But specifically to get into a fight not a fedex or mining run. Any player really- and Win or lose it won’t matter, the mission will complete successfully if a PVP KM is generated). If they really wanted to make it special the mission could combine a locator agent to find the nearest - sec status player in low and order them to “Deliver Justice”.
I’m glad you finally came around. Don’t you see now, T Elliot? Anti-ganking has a hard job explaining people to themselves. You can join the “kill all highsec PVP” movement, help get rid of ganking griefing, and keep telling other people what they’re thinking.
All this ad homonym at us. When you stop resorting to attacks and look at what remains, the truth is that we’re always making consistent and correct arguments against only ganking (wardecs are OK) in high sec and people keep failing to understand them no matter how many times we have to explain it to them in every different way possible, even if it means others can no longer understand our various points.
See you admit you can’t fight us anti-newbie-ganking-only (PVP in high sec is generally OK) crowd, and have to keep resorting to personal attacks. Once you come around to our viewpoint everything will make total sense, and then you too will push for removal of all ganking in high sec (period).
This is griefing, goading newbies out of High Sec and into Low Sec just to kill them is targeted harassment, even if it is CCP does it. And it’s illegal here in Germany/Texas, so I’m not afraid to call my German/Texan lawyer.
Lo Koval, now I truly see the wisdom in your ways. For behold the only truth is the truth as I see it in the moment, and if I said something different twelve posts ago that inconvenient to me now, well I don’t say it, YOU just don’t understand it, and are probably misremembering it anyways. And besides you’re just a smelly griefer who deserves to be hit with the ban hammer of righteous fury!
It is for freedom and truth that I deny what I clearly said, and it is in the sense of righteous justice that I wish to take away the game play of others!
That’s easy, just don’t let them leave the station. Ofcourse you would have to get rid of local, mail and messaging aswell.
I’ve heard that ganking, err griefing, is against the law in many of the progressive nations of Europe. Maybe it would be better if CCP just charges people a subscription fee, but does not allow anyone to log in any longer. That was there is no over powered kind of gameplay allowed, and everyone is equal.
Sending lambs to the slaughter, this I approve.
You have your own funny definitions in your head that allow you to say things some would call dishonest without a guilty conscious don’t you?
But that is ok. You have done this to me before.
I fail to see the difference between smack talking, taunting, and mining salt. If there is a difference, it is one of degree, and not substance. The intention is the same. The process is the same. The desired outcome is the same. If my mother saw three kids picking on a fourth, she would describe the situation as taunting. I would call it smack talking. My son would call it mining salt (or maybe mining salt is so 2014 and the kids say something else now).
Either way these definitions that you have are within your head, and are not outside of it. This is like there being no counter play to ganking, then I give a long list of strategies to use to keep oneself from being ganked, and you claim that none of them are counterplays, but are avoidance instead.
I am sorry Lucas, but I speak Midwestern American English. I also know a little Mandarin and Spanish. I don’t speak Lucaseese. I am going to have to defer to Lo Koval to translate your speech to me from now on. Lo Koval has made me understand that you can seemingly say two diametrically opposed things back to back, and honestly not understand why people are confused or upset. I understand now that you have these personal definitions of words that are different than many other people’s, and it causes confusion in the language. I retract my accusation you you being less than truthful, as I now understand you just can’t help it. Your truth is a personal subjective thing that can change fluidly depending on what you need words to do in a sentence.
(btw, have you considered accepting JR Bob Dobs into your heart as your savior? Salvation is guaranteed, or you get double your money back. You don’t want Jahova1 to be chucking you into the Cooperate Sin Galaxy to you? We are all rooting for you Lucas!)
It’ll be one thing on Monday, another thing on Tuesday, and yet another thing on Wednesday…because such utterly dishonest arguing requires spur of the moment comebacks in order to be ‘correct’ in the moment even if it means an 180 degree turn on the perspective presented yesterday.
Aiko had it right all along. Lucas is running multiple different, often mutually exclusive, narratives at the same time and just slithers between them in the hope nobody will notice. But plenty of people ( including yourself ) have noticed.
The entire argument is a waste of time, because there really is no honest and consistent premise at the heart of it.
Yes indeed, it is the burden of those trapped in an objective reality to have to interpret the meaning of those in a fluid, subjective one.
This is absolutely not true where I am from, but as I have said before your reality comes from within, and not from without, so it is ok.
I now agree with you Lucas. The failure is on me for not understanding the fluid and dynamic personal definitions that you have, and not acquiescing to your view of the world. I now understand that you only demand the removal of the freedom of others in the name of liberty and justice.
It is true that the subjective fluidity of language that you enjoy is confusing for those of us in the Midwest who stubbornly believe that words have an objective meaning. While your own demonstrated flexibility in the use of the meaning of words must be very coinvent for you, most of us in “fly over country” are stuck trying to conform the the meaning of words.
As far as school shootings go, I have heard other people talk about your present state, and it has lead me to conclude that you are likely still chaste and pure even while in your middle years, and thus likely have no children. Some of those with children might be offended about your seemingly flippant attitude regarding violence towards children. I am not though Lucas. I am confident that I understand your position now.
Best of luck. You still have not answered me concerning the love of Bob Dobs. Bob, while very libertine in spirit personally, will welcome even those who through circumstance and no choice of their own, remain pure in heart, such as maybe yourself. Keep up the good work Lucas! Good luck limiting free speech of others for the sake of self expression, and removing play styles of others for the sake of liberty!
I would say you are spot on here Altara. This is one of the things that has lead me to conclude that many of the arguments are not at all to protect new bros, but to protect lazy veterans that want to haul fat lootz while auto piloting, or are scared that a fleet of catalysts will jump on their Golem while doing missions in highsec, and they have no idea how to stop it, or what to do if it happens.
Well I will confess that chatting with you used to confuse me until I understood the fluid grasp you have on the nature of things.
They do indeed! That context rapidly changes with our minds, and so we can say what we and and have it mean what we want with in the moment can’t we there big guy.
That is likely true, although, it is easy to tell something about people by the way they speak and carry themselves.
Yes indeed, gun violence is a problem that America has. It is that pesky Bill of Rights in the USA that slows down people like you from being able to enforce your own Utopia. Maybe you can use EvE as a test bed of strategy, and once Everyone in EvE confirms to your will, you can force people in the real world to do the same? Don’t worry though. As is evident from his last speech, our current President is trying to eliminate the other party so the USA will enjoy single part rule and there will be a straight path for people like you and Shannon Brandt to remove griefers one way or the other.
Best of luck to you Lucas!
Imagine thinking that if you can just submit enough posts, you are actually going to influence someone.
I mean Lucas is a Brit living in France so 
You admitted it bruv 
Ah so trynna semantic and gas light your way out of it.
Got it
You already admitted the majority of ganking isn’t griefing my boy
You’re so cute