Naive as always. I can’t wait for the next round of complaints from people like Gustav Mannfred and Co.
My response will be:
Naive as always. I can’t wait for the next round of complaints from people like Gustav Mannfred and Co.
My response will be:
We might do up a cool infographic with an overview of the main stats, but I think any super granular data like that would be kept for internal study.
There is no complaint needed, at least not from me! I am glad CCP finally did something against that behaviour
Yeah, you’re not wrong, but it’s not just about alts.
This heart of the problem is apparently deliberately being ignored or avoided.
The same people crying about the alts …
… will be the same people crying about real friends doing it.
So what’s CCP gonna do then? ■■■■ those too?
Also at @Ghost_O_Mo …
They’re already crossing the line now, …
… because they don’t treat every capsuleer as independent entity for this case, …
… so what’s going to keep them from crossing the line again?
Likely to happen but in that case I think that the people doing this with friends will have to ask themselves a simple question, is what they are doing acceptable to a reasonable person.
I just hope that CCP records certain metrics and works from that when someone petitions it, it works both ways.
is what they are doing acceptable to a reasonable person.
LOL. Almost nothing I do in Eve would be acceptable in the real world.
Likely to happen but in that case I think that the people doing this with friends will have to ask themselves a simple question, is what they are doing acceptable to a reasonable person.
But of course it is acceptable! The whole problem is that CCP doesn’t want groups of people to outplay others, at least in this very case. They’re protecting the arena players by shielding them from the influence of those smart (and likely crazy enough) to do this. Arena players, by definition, need to be shielded from the “real world”.
The “real world” in EVE ONLINE is that a group of people, alts or not, are going to win. In the context of EVE ONLINE, the people called cheaters won fair and square. They’re outsmarted everyone else. It doesn’t matter if they’ve been using alts or not. They wanted the money/to win and so they did. CCP is interfering with this, which is not okay.
It’s not unfair to the arena players that they can be meta’d …
… it’s unfair to the EVE ONLINE players that the arena players’ can’t be meta’d! (that sentence isn’t going to get any better…)
Arena players require protection from those who don’t actually require special snowflake conditions to compete with others.
Let’s get this out of the way first:
LOL. Almost nothing I do in Eve would be acceptable in the real world.
Is that relevant?
In terms of your points, I think it was more aimed at people spamming alts more than anything else, but if people start to operate in an unreasonable fashion with friends they will have to ask themselves if what they are doing is reasonable to a reasonable person, I suppose I could adjust that to be reasonable to a reasonable Eve player.
You have a long history of white knighting and declaring moral righteousness, Drac. You know that people disagree with your points, a lot.
Fly to null sec sometime - those jerks collude, bully, intimidate - basically they behave in a completely reprehensible way. Pretty much all of them. This is considered by many people to be the purest form of Eve.
Seems too late to apply this rule.
The reason people try to do that act is this is long-term and big event worth to invest that act.
But now, CCP will not give prize like before(medal, in game billboard, EVE Gear Store vouchers, Mixed Dimensions ship models etc…)
Maybe that acts do not occur again I think
Special policy carveouts to protect the “legitimacy” of something as antithetical to the core concept of the game as instanced PvP is a bad look.
The problem here is that instanced PvP exists in Eve, not that the game’s rules are insufficiently restrictive to make instanced PvP viable.
Arena players require protection from those who don’t actually require special snowflake conditions to compete with others.
You’re being deliberately obtuse.
The point of the proving grounds is to let folks do a legit one v. one or small group v. small group experience. If folks are gaming that to make it easier for them to win, then they are taking away from the experience other folks are having with this specific kind of content. There are plenty of places in EVE where doing that kind of metagaming is perfectly fine, expected and even encouraged. But that’s not what was expected here.
Sometimes folks want a one v. one at the sun that is actually a one v. one at the sun. CCP is trying to provide that kind of experience. There’s nothing wrong with that - it’s just another kind of gameplay.
Do they brain-wipe all the CSM members? I thought it was only Mike. Surely you can see how dumb and virtually unenforceable this new rule is.
(Playful banter, please do not ban me.)
Do they brain-wipe all the CSM members? I thought it was only Mike. Surely you can see how dumb and virtually unenforceable this new rule is.
We saw players demonstrating over and over, with logs and the like, over the last six months how Cable and others were colluding. If the players can figure it out, the GMs can figure it out.
Players have more time and energy than the GMs.
How is that war on botting going? Are they all gone?
Do they brain-wipe all forum posters? I thought it was only Sol. Surely you can see how dumb it is to make a “you can’t stop all murders so just make murder legal” argument.
I thought it was only Sol.
Hey, short old man … be nice.
(also you were hilarious on that stream, I’ll try watching that again)
This is a seriously lazy implementation. CCP could fix point 1 by having people disappear once they engaged the filament - beaming them into some invulnerable waiting area. Point 2 is strange, since it tries to single out the use of alts, even though alts are not the core issue. Teaming up in a free for all it the core issue.
Hey, short old man … be nice.
(also you were hilarious on that stream, I’ll try watching that again)
I have never been called short in my entire life, lol. <3
This is a seriously lazy implementation. CCP could fix point 1 by having people disappear once they engaged the filament - beaming them into some invulnerable waiting area.
That requires dev work. This doesn’t.
Point 2 is strange, since it tries to single out the use of alts, even though alts are not the core issue. Teaming up in a free for all it the core issue.
I think point 2 can encompass both the alts as well as the friends issue if they want it to. The spirit of the rule is clearly to ensure that people are facing real opponents who are trying to win.