Some people don’t care about what kind of personal growth plan you have in mind for them, they don’t care about looking like a coward or carebear to you. The game is not your personal psychologist cabinet to mold people into what you think is best for them!
They just want to login, have fun, explode some ships, and then logout to go take care of their family, money, or the state of their neighborhood.
If EVE is not willing to accomodate those players they will go to another game, and unfortunately for you, the existence of the Abyss and the coming of those Proving Grounds shows that CCP is willing to accomodate them.
You have already lost that fight, nobody will care about your hunt, there will be here for fun, far away from you, hell I even predict that you will join the Abyssal community by the end of the year!
In High sec PVP you login… you undock… fight is there …
You officially live Enemy war base 1 jump away ! And whats amazing is … you share same community with that "enemy and he could be your trainer mentor and life long friend !
you take your fights and log off … clean ! Mutual war concept provides this in a meaningfull community conscience and context
I did come back to game in the past 3 times … 3 of them biggest reason was community and of course i miss the game… but there is always reasons to stop playing for many players … Reasons to come back … that something must be analysed .
@CCP_Dopamine this person has claims for CCP s name Please confirm. i would like to hear the confirmations Is that True? is that really what CCP think and reason it ?? If thats what you think there is no reason me being here and also many others stand here and share our opinions effort to come with ideas and suggestions against CCP who see our way of thriving as CANINBALISM !
this is not personal growth Plan. this is an alternative idea. and also stop implying like i am seing other players look like coward and carebears to me … this is “disgusting” . and SMEAR!
Eve Online is Mass Multiplayer Game .Yes i am psychologist, and i know psychology and masses … I have solid knowledge and understanding about Social Psychology and how masses behaviors driven…
I am also gamer last 23 years… So of course im capable of come with some ideas which is supported and reasoned by the experience knowledge and understanding … I have right here to challenge the ideas … so stop trying to shut me down with NO reasoning but poor shaky ad hominem attacks
There is NO abbysal and no instance based any kind of bits and pieces introduced to this game has enough POWER to create that kind of "Strong " community feeling… ITs human nature. ITs a FACT
… meaningfull relationships vs instanced activities … People who is in close and meaningfull relationships… they wont leave easy they stay loyal… they care. they defend …
Short instances… leads people with shorter time spent their time in instance instead of community…
thus at the same time … cause lot of players to leave this game even before they have chance to set up meaningfull connections to community … 15 years ago there is not so much game in the market TODAY : its madnesss . competetion between game companies extreme… and Players have tons of other options … Its all fine to accomodate players yes BUT as strategy pulling their attraction with this kind of instances and releases … ?? NO… because they can pull attention … but they cant hold them in long term… but they can hurt and burn their own community and old loyal players who is playing this game because of its truly sandbox game ??? Is that right strategy???
This is throwing Paper into fire … suddenly flame up will be proud of the blitzes in activity. than people will disappear . But while we are slow burning still over a decade here like an Oak… And we can one more decade…But CCP needs to think and listen and care about us too… we are the ones standing still here… and they do that… thats why this post open by CCP Dopamine
up to now we see you and very afew and Brisc rubal and Mike violently defending. this… Seems like majority of people CARE about it.
and @Dantelion_Shinoni please learn to way of debate … And stop making personal attacks and personal comments in posts… Attack on idea Hurray and reason it… priceless …BUT attack on person no ! some of your agressive/harassing messages already removed by ISD. you keep doin it and only reason i dont flag is… now you are stirring them up with some ideas and i do value ideas but please try to reason them also too
It’s only become less so because players have asked for that. They wanted war dec changes, bumping changes, and the like. Because while there has always been legitimate highsec PvP, a large part of it was edge case gameplay that many players viewed as being little better than griefing. There are other areas of the game where PvP is unfettered, and the players who really wanted PvP action without having to game the system to get around CONCORD and crimewatch could do so. So why spend time on something that’s already in the game somewhere else?
The only dip I can see in the numbers in 2018 is the usual summer dip. That goes back up and stays the same until 2019 when there’s a massive dip because of blackout.
I am aware of it. I know what it is. I don’t have to participate in it daily to understand what it is. And, again, I have never heard anybody say that highsec PvP is something you can jump in the game and both reliably and immediately get a fight where you’ve got a reasonable chance of winning. You can’t even guarantee that in nullsec, and we have no rules. If there’s some magic way you’ve figured out how to get highsec PvP content on demand, let me know.
In the Abyss you live 1 Filament away from the Enemy, amazing! There is an abyssal community, check the Abyssal Lurkers channel, they give out fits, strategies, and advices, **everything you pretend does not exist in the Abyss. Check Torvald Uruz’s channel on Twitch (for now), he was elected to CSM and despite him not wanting to acknowledge it, it is the Abyssal community that jumpstarted him toward CSMship. You have his community in the stream, in the Abyssal Lurkers channel, you have recurring names that appear often in fights and are recognized, this IS a community and one that is bound to gain influence!
Yeah, okay, you’ve got your fairy tale where you became best friends with the people who exploded you. But let me laugh at this meaningful community conscience.
You guys are essentially fighting each other because you have nothing else to do!
The concept of Mutual War and RvB arose because there was no way to access on-demand PvP outside of time-consuming roams and being dunked by Wardeccers. It’s an arrangement the same way they have to arrange fights in Null-Sec because they cannot find targets, it’s unnatural, unorganic, and meaningless. At least in roams you have the forcing of PvP on parties that do not want PvP, the loss matters because you disrupt an activity or attack an asset. The roamers play a role in making the universe more dangerous for everybody, they play a role in the ecosystem by attacking those who produce and transport.
Mutual War? You are just cannibalizing each other for fun, and that’s okay!
well i know all PVP mechanics in Nul Sec. but i dont live in Nul Sec, Because i know the importance of habitat and the way of thriving and impact lvl of the life and politics in the area,
SO i choose not not to go into platforms and make comments about stuff that i have noooo clue !
Now there is a solid Proof coming that showing you are not Acknowledgeable enough what are you talking about :
complete invalidation:
invalidation :
first Of all Red Federation And Blue Republic space is 2 system each owned by one of sides and there is 1 buffer system in the middle… When you undock from station… you are surrounded … so first thing we learn when we join to RvB is insta dock and insta undock… ( no gate guns no concord intervention this lvl of danger is not even possible in low sec… there is gate and station guns ) After undock you make strategic asesment about situation and see if you can take them down solo or… may be already there is skirmish goin on… so you analyse the situation and pick the right strategy there…
this is nearly perfect %50 %50 win and loss rate and it is in a 1.2 million kill sample group… Prooven by numbers not 50 man corporation statistic! …
You are sooo badly wrong… says numbers… and you lack of knowledge @Brisc_Rubal . you had just comment on something and invalidate someone where you are TOTALLY wrong and he is %100 right
Now you know. and its REAL and i happened in sandbox enviroment …
We do PvP for the sake of PvP… this is purest form in intention lvl… Also arranged fights in RvB happens may be once in a week or every second week. All other fights occurs naturally . You are AGAIN commenting something that you dont know it…
And i suggest you to stop insulting/ agressing / harrassing a tradition where grow some of the best PVP ers of New Eden. We are all over everywhere now … Even CCP members had been playing incognito ( we cant know which toon ) in RvB … but I was happy to talk with some of them and we remember the old days together In last invasion tour…
Only reason i wont flag that message is People will see what you are thinking about REALLY… about that tradition … and can easily decide about you accuracy .
The WarDec is arranged, that makes it unorganic by your words judging by how you describe and berated the fights in “the Arena”, funny how it’s very easy to say that other guy playstyle is bad but when it’s yours you do not like it.
Oh, I am the one commenting on what I don’t know?
Your entire critique of the coming Abyssal Proving Grounds is based on one guy doing fights in the Abyss and you used it to make your kilometers long “analysis” of the Abyss, copying his exacts words. You obviously don’t know anything about Abyssal PvP, haven’t made the effort of thinking of what the metagame would actually be when exposed to multiple ships and players, and copy-pasted an opinion that wasn’t yours to begin with.
In the Abyss right now, both kiting and brawling are viable, in the coming Proving Ground, the only factor is that another player is present, thus making you having to deal with another kiter that will spread away from the other. But CCP can easily counter this effect by changing the mechanics of the Abyss, if you have a dedicated scrambler in a 3v3 suddenly the side that is kiting is no longer the one bound to win, same if the list of ships is changed (hint: Lachesis).
Again, you are the one afraid that your playstyle is gonna die here, not me. And you should be afraid, people won’t need RvB if all you offer is meaningless slaughter, when they can just talk with their pals and jump in into the Abyss. Your loss.
If you don’t like it, just declare Mutual War on me !
It killed world PvP in WoW. More than that, instant instances killed the world. I’m sure people will jump in and complain about the comparison, but there is a risk here. I can only hope CCP are aware of it and are watching carefully.
You appear to think PvP is just the bit where spaceships start shooting each other. Please revise that assumption, at least when talking about a significant number of players.
Doing what is popular does not lead to good game design. You only have to look at the development of other MMOs to see this. Doing anything that is popular in the short term can be very harmful to the long term.
Is there more than one Red Fed and Blue Rep ? The Red Fed my alt is in doesn’t in any way resemble what you’re describing - we (Red & Blue) live in 2 different structures in 1 hi-sec system, and fight more together in joint fleets (roaming low-sec, null-sec and the odd wormhole) than against each - and we may have arranged fights against other alliances, but not against each other.
Thanks for contribution … im appreciated.
Because the RvB i have introduced lived nearly decade as i also mentioned prior posts of mine and many CCP releases like this one merged over time with management who likes currenly what you experienced style game playand preferred to adapt to these CCP releases … it derailed. Therefor im very experienced with the idea of "what happens if this kind of updates/nerfs releases lands into Sandbox game " some of them facilitating and constructive … some not… but all of them made by some good intentions … But also idea fathers of these updates … had been also willing to sacrifice it by making difficult to breath some content in sandbox context… ( and talking about old releases is not subject of this thread … so i cut it here anyone who wants to know… can search and learn )
…But that doesn’t change the result…
I know how its go through the veins over time poisons and destroy some beauties …
… Most veterans who is passionate with this play style they perma quit and never come back again… you are in the arms of beautifull RvB community now. But not in a tradition and legacy of RvB …
… ask Nitro Oxide old days and sent my regards. He will tell you about RvB
this was what RvB about https://www.eternalwar.org/items-8/Mutual-War-Concept
today what you are experiencing is nothing more than any other Pirate PVP corp and actually they had been in FW recent months they left …
It’s interesting how people are claiming that highsec pvp was perfect for ‘drop in, drop out, I have 15 minutes to fight’, then complain it was nerfed, then hold up RvB as a good example of highsec PvP.
Because RvB hasn’t been touched. And is useless for drop in, drop out; unless you’re wanting to use an alt for that.
yes Famous “RvB alt” phrase : ) Therefor there was a mass in RvB as main and rest of New Eden has alts in RvB … Is official Alt party also… We havent been only a unique community but also we had been hosting rest of New Eden too…
Therefor When Mangala Solaris run GANKED ! you can see every celebrity and top PvP ers of New Eden On grid.
Its sandbox game … Of course every update has direct or chain impact on current thriving habitat…
Mutual war concept IF supported by CCP and encouraged now that might be actually outlet for facilitate more active and creative PvP enviroment … today reality is… noone knows about what is mutual war content …
up thread there is 3 person commented about it… and ALL comments were reflecting clearly that they dont know anything about it… and how much potential it has .
I dont undestand why the concept “on demand pvp in highsec” is a controversial one. As a vet of both instanced pvp in the AT, in lowsec n nullsec piracy and in RvB I have never experienced such a pure form of pvp as what I found in RvB.
Disrupting other players never appealed to me. Or atleast it stopped doing so pretty fast after I took my first steps in pvp. The pvp dynamics and the dogfight was pure gold. All with likeminded ppl. Not with unwilling victims. I dont oppose that kind of pvp but I just could never understand it. Its all gatecamping to me.
The way I had to test both my skills and ego… It was both brutal and glorious. After tasting it I could never find anything that sucked me in as much. And so here I am, watching from the outside without the will to enter. I can only remember how it used to be. CCP dedicating time and resources on new forms of pvp is great but instanced setups make me lose hope.
If anything, I’d bet it would lose them money. People are just gonna explode each other again and again for no reason? At least in the Abyss you had the Triglavian rewards and new ships.
What new ships can they introduce through Mutual Wars? What factions? What modules? It’s just a bunch of people shooting each other forever with no conclusion in sight, Meaningless and Pointless.
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