We all knew since the beginning what was its actual path.
Well thats two bullies NOT in the game then lol
I think it’s already halfway down.
You know, I was one of the first people to ever pioneer SJW inclusion into EVE.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/32l557/tumblr_in_eve/
That was me being blotted out in red btw.
There is no ‘bullying’ in EvE.
What you need to learn is that EVERYTHING in EvE is PvP. Are you mining? - You’re taking those roids from other players. Are you running missions? You’re selling those LP’s and modules to take wealth from other players. Same with industry, same with targeting someone and pressing f1. It’s ALL PvP, we compete with other players for wealth, power, territory, possessions, everything. EvE is PvP, it was the intent of the original game. CCP stated they got their original idea from the game Elite. “Imagine if instead of competing with npc’s, you competed with players” - thus EvE was born.
If you want to play EvE, you must understand and accept PvP in all its forms. There is no other option. Whatever you want in EvE, must be taken or acquired form another player (even if it’s kill an npc before them) and if you ‘want it’ you must be ready at all times to protect it from other players. This is the real beauty of EvE.
Per CCP Bullying doesnt happen unless every time you move, the enemy follows you. if you stay in the same place and continually get hit CCP doesnt care, but if you move and are specifically being targeted by the same people for attacks it turns to harassment. I forgot where i found it since i havent been playing much for the past 3 years due to the country im in having poor and very expensive internet.
If a person doesnt like being picked on in a video game, maybe hes playing the wrong game. Thing is, EVE has always contained banter and insults, in order to goad the opponent into crying or whining, and weve always seen that as a sort of entertainment. If a person takes a video game too seriously, its only natural that we would poke fun at them.
Its more of a meme now, about how players who cant handle EVE should go back to WOW, or hello kitty island adventure.
But honestly, its ridiuclous how thin-skinned people are nowadays. Stupidly ridiculous.
Thank you someone that understands what bullying and harassment is.
As said many times before PVP itself isn’t bullying, but if its a targeted ongoing thing against a specific person or group/corp of players, then it could be called bullying/harassment and would require looking into to see to what degree.
As noted, bullying/harrassment has to be looked at on an individual case by case, its impossible to just groups all similar actions together and call it bullying or harrassment.
As it is we’ve all seen this in the forums, which is a hell of a lot easier to police than it is in game. But even in the forums its up to the mod to decide in their mind and morals if its crossed the line. Its a grey area between black and white guidelines.
Talk to any lawyer, councilor, mental health worker, etc, they’ll all say its a case by case situation, as there are so many different factors to take into account.
More than just regularly move. But also make a conceited effort to get away and do something about it.
I.e. “i moved 1 system over and he somehow still managed to find me???” isnt enough. “I begged him and even though i have 1 billion isk on my account i didnt offer him any isk and he didnt let me go, this is bullying!!!” isnt enough.
PVP is the attempt to exert control over an object that another is also attempting to exert control over.
Bullying is an attempt to exert control over another and impose a negative experience for one’s own emotional gratification.
It isn’t clear to most people that the fastest, most efficient way to exert control over an object that another is also attempting to exert control over is to bully that other. Most games have rules against this. And, in most games, those rules are broken quite often. There are often even prescribed penalties and officials tasked with enforcing the rules and penalties.
Punching someone to make them let go of a football is PVP.
Punching someone as an expression of anger towards someone who won’t let go of a football is bullying.
Blowing up someone’s spaceship to make them stop mining is PVP.
Blowing up someone’s spaceship as an expression of anger toward them for being a miner is bullying.
ROFLMAO. You totally didn’t get the point of my post.
CCP have already outlined this. Everyone who has been here for a while already knows what CCP consider harassment, as it applies to bumping, as there was a GM post on the old forum:
But, there have been plenty of spot on posts in this thread. You don’t have a monopoly on understanding.
Alright then, what point am I missing?
You said people should go to jail for destroying someone else’s property. We’re talking about destroying stuff in a video game. So, you want people to go to jail for destroying stuff in video games.
Alright then…glad you’re having a good time I guess…
keep mining
Pretty sure he just didn’t post /s
You very clearfully selected specific things to cover yourself, but if you might to re-read that topic more carefully you would have come across more refined details, but to make it easier I’ll directly quote CCP’s GM Karidor, Game Masters, C C P Alliance and I’m sure @CCP_Falcon, @CCP_Habakuk, or any of the other CCP staff could clarify things.
(GM Response On Bumping - Crime & Punishment - EVE Online Forums)- 2013-01-29 18:03:06 UTC
Hannott Thanos wrote:
I simply noted that it seems that it is still legal to implicitly harass someone by setting up bumper gangs in every belt that one person mines in, as long as they target everyone, not just that one individual. Or am I mistaken here?
You are mistaken. If you are reported and we find you actively following around a target without a war to continue bumping a specific player, it will still (at some point) considered harassment, even if you divert your ‘attention’ a little while doing so. If you have a bone to pick with someone, declare a war and take the risk that your target may actually taste blood and fight back (or finds allies for that part).
Runeme Shilter wrote:
GM Karidor wrote:
However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.
Does “move to another location” mean another Ice-Asteroid? Or another belt? Another system?
RS
While it will involve inconvenience, we will have to see that one actively tried evasion before we consider someone being followed around and harassed. Merely changing belts in the same system or moving a few thousand meters to another asteroid would not qualify in this regard. Ideally you would move to other systems and more than just one or two jumps to avoid being found again quickly, requiring some effort to locate you again (i.e. through locator agents).
Benny Ohu wrote:
if a bumper was extorting in a system, then later moved to another system and bumped a player that had previously moved on, not because the bumper was following the other player but because the other player was in the bumper’s new area, is that a situation that ‘by itself’ is harassment?
Depends, see the answer to the quote above which should cover this as well. If the victim just moved next door, that could still be interpreted as ‘general area of operation’, if the miner starts changing regions and is still being followed around by the same person that keeps bumping in a regular manner then the intent is pretty clear. Note that I said person, not character, so regional alts will be considered be the same player in this regard.
GM Karidor Senior Game Master
As a foot note this is from the topic on Bumping, and this is only one of many bullying/harassment tactics.
Fair enough.
People post really stupid stuff like that more and more being serious…so guess that one got past me…oops *shrug. At least I amused him.
No, just pointed you in the direction of information that has been common knowledge for years on the forum. We don’t need to sprout it all to appear knowledgeable. You have that approach sewn up all yourself.
Where did you get the idea that PvP becomes bullying when it’s targeted against a group of players? This is completely made up. The concept of bullying implies an individual being targeted by other(s), not a group being the target.
So according to you, ganking miners, or haulers, or any other “group” of players you may think of is bullying? Show us a definition of bullying that remotely supports whatever it is that you’re trying to sell us here, please…
So who has the problem then? The player that goes mad when he loses his ship in a spaceship shooting game or the player(s) that shot him? And does the answer to that question depend on whether the player that lost his ship belongs to some group or collective that’s shot often or what?