Considering how easy most of the Abyssal sites seem to be in the right ship (ie Sacrilege or Gila) I doubt there are many obstacles to create a bot for those.
Not to mention that you can adjust the “old” PVE to be more challenging for bots and players alike: the NPC just need to be faster, a little bit tankier and deal a little bit more DPS. You can also have well paying missions (no burner crap which is even easier to farm) or anomalies with harder to predict triggers. There are many ways to make existing PVE more challenging than outright replacing it with RNG crap.
You also forget the point of PVE: The purpose is to earn ISK, not to replace PVP for ultimate thrills. Some thills are welcome and good, but not if you can get your daily hyper adrenaline dose from those activities.
This misses the point, and blames the wrong entity. You point your finger at PvE and blame it, when you should be pointing your finger at CCP and blaming them.
Whether or not current PvE should be changed to discourage botting is a different question than who is to blame for botting (CCP), and why they don’t do anything about it when they could. Players report bots every day, yet the same bots continue to bot for years after being reported. If players can find bots, CCP can find them. Since they don’t, they are to blame.
Amusing thread of r/eve links full of devs responses on hot topics. We must link r/eve topics to OF to discuss them here?
Why mulitboxing is allowed in the first place? Why CCP is trying to find a solution to a problem instead focus where the problem starts in the first place? Do we really need to play the game on multiple accounts?
I was wondering last summer why it took few months to fix ghost training. Money? Selling SP extractors?
If we compare both redit and eveo forums to forests, reddit is bigger, dry forest, eveo forum is smaller, dry forest, so if they see someone dropping a lighted cigarette, they run to reddit with buckets full of comments to try to extinguish potential fire. Also here they have a big hose in the back of the truck, one splash and its… thread closed.
I saw bots reporting threads locked up on OF. So they run to reddit to extinguish potential fire but closing thread on OF because they makes them look bad? Was last year that NS alliance ceo told members to not report bots because they make ISKs for war?
Ok I get it, all current online games have bots problems but how many of that games have player run market like EvE? When botting will influence prices on said market items and that sme items are bought by RL money and put on the market? Suddenly all that PLEX prices conspiration threads are not that conspirational at all.
There’s a reason why the SW:Galaxies emulator developers are pushing hard for one person - one account due to th sandbox nature of the game.
It’s astonishing how many alts an average player has in this game. Scout alt, cyno alt, market alt, several mining alts including rorq alt and so on…
Why play an MMO, where players should rely on each other? Playing the game with this much of alts is exactly the same as me booting up X-Rebirth and then remotely controlling my fleet of cap ships…
Because relying on other players is more often than not a nuisance, unreliable and requires you to count on other unreliable people when you need things done. If they do not or cannot keep up with your pace, they hold you back and nothing gets done that you can just do yourself with a couple of alts.
That said, no one is forcing you to use alts. You can use friends or other players just fine. Personally, I just do not want to deal with the frustration potential those other players come with when it comes to certain activities. I can’t and will not be bothered to wait for someone to move a cyno in place when I need it there this instant. I also cannot be bothered with announcing a logistics op in advance in the hopes that someone maybe decides to help me. But you can still do that and many people actually do that because there are limits to how many alts someone might want to have or can use simultaneously on a PC. There are also times when counting on other players makes things quicker than if you used your alts because someone may already be in position.
Many other options like scouting are also easier to do with alts than with other people because you know what is going on because you see it happening. You do not have to interpret wonky language or ambiguous explanations or descriptions of other people.
The point is that you have the option to do whatever you want and use and exploit alts and players however needed.
And removing local from null sec will not fix the bot issue. It will only make it worse because of intel bots on gates. That’s not an issue in W-space, because no one lives there. A couple of hundred chars is no one. Period. Another thing about W-space is that you do not need to check tons of systems, you only need 2, with a very limited number of access points. Null sec has to check a lot more access points and you can hardly compare the two.
So why play an MMO then? Not trolling, serious question.
Many times on these forums people shut down other threads with “Get friends!” or “You expect to play solo and be -insert some major achievment-?” or “Why play an MMO if you want to do everything yourself?” etc etc.
So again, if you do not like dealing with other players, why do you play an MMO?
I agree. An MMO is supposed to be one person, one account, and certainly no multiboxing. If you want to play an RTS (and I like RTS’s) - go play an RTS.
Because I have the option to play with other people but I do not have to. With how EVE is setup with alts, I have options. I can choose to play with them or not depending on my requirements and situations.
Had CCP prohibited the use of alts and actually managed to enforce that, EVE would be a different place altogether. But it is not only too late for that, CCP also has proven to be not able to prevent alts or enforce their restrictions.
Sometimes I envy Koreans the “has to enter ID card number” policy when creating account for their MMOs. Not only does this reliably enforces one person - one account policy, but it also drastically reduces (or outright removes) issue with bots, hackers and exploit abusers, because once you are banned, you are essentially banned for life (as you cannot create a second account). So most people think twice before attempting that.
Wait for it. You better put on your flame retardant suit because the thing that people hate more than that are suggestions about police state like id confirmation systems.
Yeah, because people post a lot of private info on their own on sites like Facebook and such and just wave their hands over it. But heavens forbid when a private business wants to verify if the account holder is a legit person…
You actually thought CCP would do something? Silly rabbit. They even let everyone abusing the launcher exploit and running multiple alphas off the hook.
tl;dr: Russians and Chinese botting in drone lands? Tell me something I don’t know. The drone lands have been a botting haven for as long as I’ve been playing.
Another thing about W-space is that you do not need to check tons of systems, you only need 2, with a very limited number of access points. Null sec has to check a lot more access points and you can hardly compare the two.