the simulations of refineries show the values as if installed in null space and it’s not logical. I’m going to take my experience to illustrate my point:
We looked for witch raffinerie to buy for our small HS corp so we used the simulations. We thought that the bonus displayed were the “x1” because, it’s the BASE bonus, and so we thought that the system BONUS was “added” when in reality, not “included” as if everyone was deploying in null sec. Especially when it’s never mentioned…
I would like to point out that an athanor with a T2 rig (so a 6B investment) is more efficient than a tatara with a T1 rig ( 17-18B) so I would like to say: what’s the point? there is actually no point to risk money on an tatara rather than an athanor.
that’s a little sad, given that it does not push to take risks
To be clear, there is my propositions :
display the base value, without bonuses, OR display a warning that the system is supposed “null sec”
make the base yield of an athanor with a T2 rig the same one as a tatara with a T1 rig, the change is minor, you keep the essential of the mechanics because of the price but is a nice challenge to HS corps, and therefore a nice target for war, for players it’s also more engaging as it is a symbol.
yea, I agree new, but for me it’s not a “logical” step for a new player to take.
the test server is, on my point of view, to try the new stuff, not for having a “real” simulation since there could be some differences. (for example, HS moons on sisi are seeded when on tranq, it’s not.)
I didn’t said that the tool is bad, only that it’s not very challenging, and by changing by 1% the effect, it could become much more interesting on my opinion. at this point, I never saw a tatara in HS, probably because of this. I find it a bit sad.
You are implying the tool is bad by suggesting it needs changing/fixing.
But it’s too early to tell. For all we know many corps may still be in the process of acquiring a tatara. Or they may exist where you are not a frequent guest.
No doubt ccp will be watching closely and should it tranpsire that hardly anyone uses tataras in hisec, ccp may do something IF they want people in hi-sec to use tataras more. But a straight up yield buff will probably not happen. The market and the game are very sensitive to things like that. What you may get instead is a buff to the yield of refineries but a nerf to the rig modifiers. That would help make the tatara better without increasing actual yield. The problem with that however is you’ve just nerfed everyone who DID do their homework and bought a smaller refinery with a t2 rig.
How do you figure the mineral market was trashed by rorquals so bad they nerfed them…twice?
Becuase of people in null. Check the monthly economic report.
Look, this isn’t going to happen. At least not right now. And i didn’t want to go down the rabbit hole of explaining to you why so i didn’t reply to that part of your post. You screwed up, but thats why the test server is so handy.
Honestly, if you had done your homework and got a small structure with a t2 rig i seriously doubt you’d have made this post. You’re just upset you lost your money.
well, partly yes, also I have not lived in NS long enough maybe to see all the implications but I’m not sure why doing an equivalence in tatara + rig T1 = athanor +rig T2 would drasticly change the number of tatara in NS ^^"
And we DID our homework, that’s actually the main point in my post, the simulations are counter-intuitives…
I may not have put the second point, but the first one, definitely
PS: the test server is made to test new functionalities, not as a simulations, since, you know, they ARE in the main server.
The test server is for what ever you want, not just testing new functionality, before a new patch.
You wanna try a 4 billion t3c in pvp, before taking it to nullsec? Test server. You wanna test the structures and fitting before spending isk? Test server. Are you confused about some mechanic in the game? Test server.
Its basically a persistent server for anything eve related, be it testing new fleet doctrines, new fits, stuctures or what ever, as you can “teleport around” and get all your ships imported from Tranquility, with simple commands.
Next time, go on the test server and anchor one of theese structures, like most other people do to test it, before handing out the isk on the real server.
I will agree, that the simulation should show you the right multiplier, did you report this “bug” to ccp, by any chance? It sounds like a bug or an oversight tbh.