you are kinda right
ill zip my e-pants 
done
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You completely missed the point of my post. Am I a vet? Sure. But at no point did I brag about my stats.
The entire point of my post was that itās possible to find very rewarding PvP experiences without being extremely stat-focused. As I said in my post, when I moved out of null, the amount of kills I got dropped to about 10% of what it was before. But each one of those kills was much more exciting and satisfying, and most of them have interesting stories behind them. By comparison, most of my null-sec PvP experiences were rote and unfulfilling. FC calls target, I shoot the target, I latch on to a few dozen kill mails, and sometimes I lose my ship in the process - a hollow and unrewarding experience.
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I use to be a hardcore asteroid basher, but now I canāt stand the activity, Iāve yet to even fill a venture because the payout is pathetic.
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For three billion ISK, Iāll rewrite the OPās OP as a gangsta rap song. Will need someone to provide a four-note beat though, and a singer to record it.
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yeah, itās WAR TIME and im busy kicking passpi butt.
Look at my solo KB or mails with 2-5 people on them - thats why i play this game.
I didnāt join any of the big blocks when i started, my first āhomeā in NULL was under an eviction as we moved in to help the losing side, later i lived in Great Wildlands.
The first thing i -really- learned about this game is that you donāt own ā ā ā ā if you donāt excercise your ownership.
So itās allways been my way to fight anyone who shows up in my swamp.
Fact is N+1 is a thing and, again, you donāt own ā ā ā ā if you canāt exercise that ownership.
Joining the Imperium was the best decission i ever made in this game. Now i have all the allies i need to defend against anyone who tries to take my space or destroy my little citadel.
I donāt need to do industy, hauling, traveling - i can play just the game i like.
And ofcourse i am doing all i can to help the Imperium win this war - we have the best culture, the best leadership and the best fleet commanders. I am proud to be part of the Imperium.
The space attracts hunters like nothing else. Small and medium gangs right for solo or corp response are really the norm. I got used to fighting outnumbered and in cheap ships, made Myrmidon baiting into a āsustainableā business model to support my play style given the time i have to spend on this game.
More and more of that time must go to ratting activity instead of a varried play style because of CCPs idiotic nerfs against null sec.
Given that i just came back from WH space i am especially pissed about the lacking risk / reward ballance in this game.
Yeah, HS is pretty much a cancer tumor, sucking the live energy from poor noobs who have no idea that there are Null Sec alliances who are quite happy to take ratting tax and industry sercives as contribution and will actually protect them, unlike Concord.
Shure is not too hard to take your time pick winning fights in a strong setup. I donāt even look at intell channels much because iād rather lose a ship then an opportunity for a fun fight.
The point is CCP is only incentivicing risk averse behaviour creating less and less opportunity for ādynamicā experience in favour of cheap solutions.
I donāt think anyone would have ever bothered to maintain a standing cap umbrella if it wasnāt for cloaky camping.
Now we will have standing sub cap fleets on titan bridges instead - great.
Would be nice if only i could make enough ISK to buy stuff like this more then once or twice per year while also actually playing the game inbetween instead of grinding for ISK all the time.
Thats what itās all about, right?
Sadly CCP is killing off one play style after another instead of enriching their sand box.
Nah. iāve been manny places, i found my home. CCP can stick their nerf bat up where i donāt need to see it or watch me leave this game the day i run out of ISK.
Youāre past that point since 2012, arenāt you?
By now they have a pretty solid record of not failing to diappointā¦
Credit where credit is due: you do have a fair amount of such activity. But in all fairness, itās not the majority of your activity. This is understandably endemic of the null-sec population, however, because when we strip their stats of fleet warfare activity, they become much less impressive. It doesnāt mean youāre a bad PvPer, just that itās not objective to evaluate someone based on kill count alone.
This doesnāt make any sense from a logical perspective. āPoor noobsā simply donāt have the financials to be viable, enticing targets. The people paying ransoms for their deadspace-fit mission boats, or hiring mercenaries, tend to have quite a bit of spending power.
You favor a different PvP archetype than I do. Neither one is wrong per se, and neither one is less valid than the other. I was merely suggesting an alternative because you seem dissatisfied with what youāre doing now.
You seem to make an uncharacteristically small amount of money compared to other players in null. Itās possible that this is because youāre more focused on the PvP aspect of the game than its PvE aspect, which is something I can relate to, because I very rarely engage in PvE myself.
I suggest going back to wormholes and/or trying abyssal content. If youāre mathematically-savvy, you can also try trading, which is how I made most of my wealth over the years.
Part of the reason why Iām suggesting a different play style is because when you work to minimize your losses, you donāt need to make as much money. Past a certain point in my EVE career, I could stop doing PvE entirely because I rarely lost ships, and my costs were subsidized by my PvP income supplemented by some light trading.
Of course that was back when I was a kid. These days I donāt even think about PvE, because Iād much rather sell some PLEX and avoid the grind. I can spend the dollar equivalent of an hour of my real-life labor to buy an amount of ISK that would take me at least fifteen hours of efficient wormholing to grind up. Itās a no-brainer.
True that - and if i was playing for killboard stats iād be playing way differently then i do.
I want to beat the odds, not just my target. I have enough reason to be proud of myself in that regard.
But who in their right mind would pay this kind of money if they can just join a null alliance or even live in a WH and be MUCH safer then your target?
Shure they make money - easily more then i do if they do incursions or afk multibox 20 accounts all day.
Youāre absolutely right but there is a significant difference in that mine is way more expensive and more often also fun for the people i shoot instead of a one way affair.
Im dissatisfied with the increasing amount of time i have to spend doing my least favourite thing in EVE in order to have enough ISK to play the gameā¦
I make ISK to play the game, not to make numbers go bigger. Alts need Plexing, ships need replacingā¦ Im spending something like 20 bil per month.
HELL NO
Myrmidon ratting makes the ISK grind bearable because it creates PVP opportunities and doesnāt require much attention beyond that.
WH life literally killed my drive to even log in - so much time wasted scanning, hauling trash around, traveling at least 20 jumps to do anything.
Barely PVP opportunities, mostly ratting ships and other trash.
I had a really long history with my old corp - family really. Iād have never gone to WH in the first place if it wasnāt for them but after having lived ther for a while itās clear i simply canāt stand the play style no matter how easy ISK it is. Fortunately Amok are really good guys too and im having a great time while my wallet is slowly shrinking.
Done Abyssals as well. Donāt like it, especially the grafics wich is kind of importantā¦
Made my first half billion like that back in Dodixie when i had just started playing - doing it well takes quite a bit of time and effort though and is not verry exciting workā¦
duh.
I could have my alts running HS missions while playing on my main and make way more ISK. Im shure removing potentioal targets from Null sec will make hunting much more fun for everyone involed, somehow, if Hilmar has had too much to drink againā¦
I could fly heavyer Ships with more support and intell, maybe bring some logi once in a while and brag about my flawless zkill stats.
I could find a different hobby thats just as much or even more fun as Eve i guessā¦
Does that sound like a good business strategy for CCP?
Better hope i have enough ISK to keep plexing my alts then.
Indeed, looks like i AM the fool after all. Exactly why im here, complaining about it.
ESS is here to stay, if you have trouble defending your home then that is on you and your alliance.
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Youād be surprised.
Remember that about three-quarters of the gameās population lives in high-sec. Browse the kill board and see just how many blinged-out PvE boats are dying every day, or fat haulers/freighters absolutely loaded with goods. You can get a lot more āfightsā in null-sec (i.e. encounters where your target actively shoots back), but if you want profitable PvP, youāre in the wrong place.
Iād say that itās not your concern about the amount of fun had by players at the opposite end of your guns. Weāre all responsible for finding our own satisfaction and enjoyment.
You have a high-impact play style, and thereās no getting around the need for ISK when you play like this.
Iād consider not trying to PLEX your account(s) anymore. If you buy yearly subs during sales, you can fuel each account for just slightly over $100. Considering how much time you invest into the game (it seems like a lot based on what you wrote), thatās likely a very worthwhile investment, especially if you live in a western country where $100 isnāt a whole lot of money.
If I were you, Iād be seriously concerned about burnout. What youāre doing sounds unsustainable over the long term.
I do see them popping up on zkill, usually some ridiculous ā ā ā ā fit, ganked in some ridiculous situation, where a competent pilot in a propper fit would spank you hard or simply avoid you the first place.
Obviously these players lack all sorts of essential skills and knowledge and they pay a high price for it so i think itās quite appropriate to call them noobs.
Really, thatās not even hard if youāre just patient and cowardly enough. Lots of null sec hunters will run away if they see even a hint of PVP ships on d-scan or one guy poping into local and never engage anything other then krabs. Some even go almost exclusively for MTUs.
Usually also kiting fits, often hyperspatial rigs etc and lots of cloaky T3Cs ofcourse, some with and some without cynoā¦
Makes a lot of sense if youāre trying to roam hostile space, just not my cup of tea.
No reason not to point out its a win - win situation.
If i was in better health shurely but sadly i am unable to work more then a few hours per day and on a fixed scedule. The whole plex economy was one of the things that first got me interested in trying EVE.
Hence why iāll run out of ISK sooner or later if CCP doesnāt fix their crap. There is only so much time i can spend playing video games and the point of it all is to enjoy myself. If thats no longer possible iāll move on but iād prefer if i didnāt have to.
Iād be careful about using this sort of logic, because it trivializes what it actually means to be a new player. Being old and ignorant isnāt the same as being young and inexperienced, and when you lump them into the same category, you end up hurting both groups. Also, when you do this, balancing the game becomes a nightmare, either because the first group gets undue advantages by being treated like the second group, or the second group suffers because the first group is treated fairly.
Then you might consider drawing down to just one or two accounts. Or simple take a break from the game. Donāt just wait for the end to come so that youāre gone for good; take stop-loss measures now, and EVE can still be a part of your life many years down the road.
I routinely take breaks from EVE, and play lots of open-world PvP survival games to scratch that risk-taking itch in the meantime.
Fair enough point actually.
plexing allways takes the same time for each character, everything they make after that is what i can spend on ships - iād have to use more alts, not less and even if itās just myrmidons the effort and attention needed to manage everything and be ready to engage in PVP at a moments notice does get out of hand quickly.
Really not much point in waiting for CCP to fix their mental diarrhea and missing the biggest war in gaming history while doing so. Who knows when their next brain fart cuts server population in half again?
I donāt live in null-sec, and I donāt really understand what ESS is about and the impact it has, but from what I read so far, it appears to be an effort by CCP to redistribute null-sec income, and it also appears to be working to some extent. It might affect a few players like you negatively, but the overall impact itās having could be positive. Iām saying ācould,ā because I donāt know for sure.
Either way, you have to find some way to adapt to this. Being less reliant on null-sec income might be a good start. Even though you didnāt enjoy wormholes, it might be worthwhile to āeat the frogā and go back to them in limited capacity because of the easy money (at least for those who arenāt afraid of taking risks). When I did wormhole stuff, I made about 150-200 million an hour solo-farming a C3, which seemed like really good income for the effort involved. Like I said, I donāt generally do PvE, but I found that to be at least somewhat tolerable.
Yeah, youāre right ofcourse.
Remeber the time when lOlmeca won a CSM election by crying about cap umbrellas a lot only to quit the game as soon as CCPs cyno and cap ballance chances started killing off his play style? That was fun 
Well, if CCP wants to do stupid things they do stupid things. All im really saying is it would be nice if they come up with some not stupid things soon.
Then donāt sit for 30 minutes, jerking off on ESS, go hunting
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Doesnt really matter how good a KB is if you are a Gewn farmer complaining the farming isnt easy enough.
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Come, come Trolly Mc Trollface - you can do better then that. Farming is way easy, only in ā ā ā ā space where there is barely any PVP.
Risk / Reward - Ballance is the key word.
Thereās your problem: you got trapped in the endless cycle of slogging through a miserable grind to make enough ISK to pay for the privilege of doing it again next month. Decide how many accounts you genuinely need, pay for them with cash like a normal person, and escape the grind.
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