I find the constant tinkering with the game mechanics and their constant efforts for finding ways to disadvantage players and causing investment loss distasteful.
I think the time has come to reconsider MY investment in this game.
Doc
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@ CCP AURORA TYVM 
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Bye ! 
Correct, the trick youâre describing just gets you into warp quickly. You do not warp cloaked.
Yeah, thatâll do it, too.
Welcome to MMOs. Basically every MMO in existence is a tug-of-war between players figuring out how to optimize things better than the developers thought was possible, and the developers trying to compensate for that. In most MMOs, where the âmainâ challenge is PvE, this takes the form of developers leaning heavily on ramping up the difficulty and the damage numbers, and then tossing out escalating stats on gear in order to let the players catch up. By the time the players are fully geared up, theyâve progressed past having that encounter on âfarm statusâ all the way to âcome on, give us new content, this is boringâ.
Stat inflation and new tiers of crafting materials have the effect of depreciating the value of the old stuff. Gold itself becomes less and less valuable. When an MMO comes out, 10g items on the AH are a big deal. 15 years in, 1000g isnât an excessive price tag.
In EVE, though, thereâs no escalating gear. Thereâs no real PvE raid content. Thereâs only each other. Thereâs no endless progression of gear tiering. EVE is still using T2/T3 equipment. LotROâs up to 13 tiers of crafting. I canât even remember how high WoW is now. So the challenge for developers is completely different, and they donât get to just start over on the next bracket of 10 levels. Imagine having to balance current WoW PvP gear⌠with Level 10 gear from the Silverdeep Mine, or the Van Cleef drops.
Imagine if every single ore spawn by endgame was all copper, and every single item of every tier was made with the same crafting mats you can collect in the newbie zones.
This is not an easy thing to figure out, and every time CCP tries⌠we go in and optimize. We throw tens of thousands of human brains at solving puzzles maybe 20 brains designed. So yeah. We will always out-think them. By sheer brute force, weâll stumble onto better solutions than they expected. Itâs more inevitable than megalomaniac villains in superhero movies. So those 20 brains need to keep finding ways to shake things up, and make people keep needing to find new solutions.
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OMG its almost like they are making a GAME which provides CHALLENGING GAMEPLAY and ADVERSARIES to overcome
FML 2020 now includes videogames which are not supposed to provide entertaining challenges.
And in b4 âhurr hurr this is EvE, theres nothing fun about it hurr hurrâ and âRats arent challenging hurr hurrâ
Edit: sorry Aunty Arrendis, didnt see youd said that but using the big words just there
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lol. np.
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Iâd rather they added some alternative massive resource sinks for people to choose whether to spend it on bilding ships or something else. Like citadel quantum cores, maybe?
What if you could rig bigger ships to suicide ram them into citadels. âEM Station Shield Penetrator GF9000â to be able to bypass shield timer, âDisarm DQ-6 Quartering Deviceâ to be able to bypass armor timer, âCore Nucleous Infiltrator WTF-i01â to bypass hull timer. So you fit all 3 of them to destroy a station in one shot. L rigs to remove an Astrahus, XL for a Fortizar. Say they strip ships own resists and have some other major drawbacks, like cant fit modules, etc. Forbidden and concordable if fit in highsec (or not).
But the rigs costs 1.5-2x as much in minerals as a citadel to build. So its a guaranteed resource sink unlike structure bashing fleets.
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Well, then nobody would use them.
I mean, really, if people want a structure dead, itâs dead. Thereâs no need to go saying âWe will suicide X number of ships into thisâ when you can just, you know⌠shoot it.
One of the big problems CCPâs got is: we donât tend to waste money. We figure out the best, cheapest way to do things, and we do it. All those super-expensive incursion ships? Theyâre super expensive because they donât die that way. So they donât have to be replaced. A 3bn ISK Vindicator w/blingy modules is less expensive than a dozen Megathrons that all blow up, even insured.
If you design an expensive way to do something as a âguaranteed killâ⌠we just wonât do it. Why would we? Itâs just easier (and cheaper) to bring more guys. The only people whoâd be tempted to use it are the smaller groups who can less afford to eat the cost of it.
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Can I have your stuff? Thanks
Yeah, you will have to bet it with Plex 
This made me lol.
Itâs funny that the Prospect wasnât at all popular and now with recent changes its about to become the ship every hisec pilot trains for.
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What does DEV stand for? Dedicated Evil Villain? Changing the minerals to what you are proposing is crazy. Do you even have the slightest clue as to how many different kinds of minerals go into a freighter or, for that matter, any capital ship? I am quite sure there are much more viable solutions to the âproblemâ you are referring to. The removal of ore anomalies in hi-sec is where miners/manufacturer get some of the normally low-sec and null-sec minerals. Being forced to buy more minerals will mean the cost of EVERYTHING is going to go right through the roof. If you have never built anything, try look at any blueprint and you just might understand exactly what it takes to produce the vast assortment goods in the game.
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You arenât. You could always find the courage to leave highsec and get those minerals yourself.
Find the courage to leave hi-sec⌠hmmm⌠sounds like someone just wants to have more easy to kill mining ship targets.
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Why do you assume that you must make yourself easy to kill? Thatâs the highsec perma-victim mentality, and why highsec players almost never add anything of value to EVE.
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Get some friends, fly a Porpoise fleet, you have loads of remote reps, heavy drone DPS. More than enough to scare lone pilots off.
Or just buy minerals. If you werenât making a profit compared to buying minerals on the market you were actually making an opportunity loss before anyway, and just didnât realise it.
I will be canceling my sub thanks to this change to the game. No idea what you people were thinking
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Reading the Dev blog is a great way to know what the Devs were thinking, considering they explain it there.