Delicious.
There is no more satisfying focal point for hatred than someone who rose above their station, then fell, and now deserves to receive all the bile you’ve swallowed over the years, right?
Under any other circumstances, I bet there’d be a line of Amarr slagging Del’thul for wasting an entire strike team, just to enact some petty, insignificant vandalism on a clone bank and bunch of stables.
Nice armchair psychology. It’s a pity it’s totally wrong.
Except for, you know, the part where she didn’t…
… unless you’re claiming that any servants of the Amarr hierarchy are representatives of Amarr itself. I mean, if you want to claim that, that’s fine, but I would ask that you clarify this before we go further.
Since the reunification, Zirsem V is under Amarr authority, the 19th Uhlans are under the Amarr flag, and Chakaid is part of the Amarr heirarchy, they are all parts of the whole that makes up
the totality of Amarr.
He is not a representative of Amarr in the sense that he is a representative of Khanid, but an attack on him is an attack on Amarr.
Similarly, while the attack on Oris was an attack upon the Lady Varaz, it is also an attack on the Emperor Family, and upon Amarr itself. I would also consider the attack on Rens to be an attack on the Matari State.
By contrast, attacks directly upon capsuleers are somewhat different, as we tend to be governed by CONCORD authority rather than national authority.
Taken together, this means that if it can be shown that he, or any representative or agent of his, was behind the Rens attack, this means you are of the opinion that Amarr attacked the Minmatar Republic.
Is that accurate?
If such proof were given, Amarr authorities would have a choice between disowning the culprit’s actions and prosecuting them as criminals or effectively taking ownership of attacks on the Republic and Emperor Family.
Edit: In the latter case, it would be fair to say Amarr attacked the Matari.
I should say that as a close relation of one of the aggrieved parties, I think the idea of the particular culprit for the Oris and Rens attacks being extradited to face Brutor justice has a certain delightful irony to it.
I see. So your position is that as long as the Amarr disavow their agent, they bear no responsibility?
Agent implies that someone above ordered the action. That person would also be culpable.
Ms. Kernher, as I have said in the NeoCom channel today, I am not going to intervene in your conflict with @Alar_Chakaid. It seems to be a blue-on-blue situation to me and internal Imperial business is not mine. However, as a soldier of the State and ally to the Amarr Empire THIS exact your action I cannot leave without attention, since it stopped being internal Amarr matter once you have hired this… “person”.
I don’t know how the Empire solves such problems, but if one of mine crewmembers would hire any gallentean to attack anyone in the State they had any sort of conflict with (even suspected criminal in any possible crime up to and including murder and piracy), I’d court martial them to execute for treason.
I again repeat, I still won’t take any sides in this conflict between you and him. But in the conflict between him and Del’Thul I definitely WILL stand on his side.
Agent expressly indicates that he is answerable to, and acts as a representative of, someone of greater station. As he is fond of throwing around his position as plenipotentiary even when speaking on his own behalf, by his choice and habit, he styles himself an agent of the Amarr power structure, through Khanid III, no?
Also: still wondering why it matters that the target was Amarr in deciding if there are shades of gray on the the issue of terrorism.
Yes. And if he is the guilty party, Khanid III had better punish him. And given the plenipotentiary title, I could see a case for demanding reparations from Khanid above and beyond his punishment.
But his guilt has to be proven, and has not been.
And the other question?
PIE is sworn to defend Amarr. So I fixate on that. But terrorism towards another state would not be acceptable.
If I might continue to indulge my curiosity… does PIE recognize the difference between terrorism, and accepted methods of asymmetric and irregular warfare?
You are going to have to be a lot more specific on which methods you consider accepted. It also does not seem relevant.
Well, terrorism, by definition is the use of violence or threats of violence in order to sew terror—to generally inspire fear in a civilian population with the intention of advancing a particular ideological agenda. Usually this can be specific objectives such as withdrawing forces from a given area, release of certain prisoners, or more broadly to demonstrate to the wider civilian population that their government cannot protect them, and in so doing, undermine the citizenry’s faith and confidence in their government. In many cases, targets are chosen to achieve the maximum amount of civilian injury or casualties, though of course, this isn’t always the case.
Legitimate forms of asymmetric and irregular warfare, by comparison, are precisely that: legitimate forms of warfare. Targets are chosen in order to directly achieve specific objectives, and all reasonable efforts are made to minimize the loss of civilian life and other collateral damage. Usually, this means targets will either themselves be military targets, or be some key form of infrastructure or logistical capability that directly supports military operations.
There are other differences, such as requirements to identity, etc, but those are often harder to quantify during operations. For now, the major and most significant distinction is as I’ve specified.
I am curious just who you think accepts this system.
It seems like the latter category in your schema effectively requires a declaration of war in some form?
I’m curious just who you think doesn’t. I suspect, for example, that both the Gallente and Caldari forces in different areas of Caldari Prime during the fighting there a few years ago would have recognized the actions of their own Special Operations forces as tactics of legitimate asymmetric warfare. I can’t imagine the Amarr don’t have similar SpecOps-capable soldiers well-trained in such things, as well, or that the Empire would consider their forces ‘terrorists’. Can you?
Does it? Did, for example, the 24IC require a formal declaration of war to hunt down the Defiants a decade ago? Who, precisely, did the Empire declare war on? Or can military action be taken as a pro-active means of self-defense?
The Defiants were an illegal force not recognized by the Republic operating in Amarr space. We certainly considered them terrorists.